Originally posted by Galan007
Yes.At the end of New Avengers #31 we see the Beyonders confronting Thor, Hyperion, Starbrand, etc. on the last chunk of land in the voidspace:
New Avengers #32 is an immediate continuation of the above -- the Beyonders are simply drawn differently:
Hell, the "previously in..." page of New Avengers #32 corroborates this as well:
So again: the Beyonders who killed the cosmic hierarchy are the EXACT SAME Beyonders who were ultimately killed by Ex Nihilo and Starbrand. Stupid as it may be, this is irrefutable fact.
It's extremely refutable if for no more reason that the look totally different. Add the dialogue stating them to be manifestations; shells containing Beyonder essence. Where is the "irrefutable fact" shown?
Originally posted by TheHulksterThe comics are depicting the EXACT SAME SCENE. The artists simply opted to illustrate the Beyonders differently in the latter scene... This does not change the fact that we are dealing with the EXACT SAME Beyonders, however. The only way it isn't irrefutable is if you completely ignore this glaring fact. 🙂
It's extremely refutable if for no more reason that the look totally different. Add the dialogue stating them to be manifestations; shells containing Beyonder essence. Where is the "irrefutable fact" shown?
Also, where is this notion coming from that the Beyonders were somehow weaker when they took on physical form? That was never stated anywhere. What *was* stated is that they were at their most 'malleable' when they acted as physical beings, but that certainly does not allude to their overall energy/power being diminished in any way/shape/form. Some people are trying really hard to try and ignore the Beyonders' low-end showings... You can't. none
There's also the fact that the entire race was destroyed by a blast/detonation that destroyed a few-hundred-thousand universes. Seems impressive at first glance, but when we remember that the multiverse in its totality contained infinite universes, a blast of that magnitude becomes utterly insignificant by comparison.
The Ivory Kings win! If you forgot the Beyonders killed the Living Tribunal and every other cosmic entity!!!! A feat the Anti Monitor never accomplished! If i remember well, the Spectre was able to cope with the Anti Montor, while the Three Ivory Kings DEFEATED the Living Tribunal. Now the Spectre isn't even near to the level of power of the LT. The LT is second to TOAA, so that places him in par with Lucifer and Michael, and since the spectre is below these two then OBVIOUSLY the Ivory Kings would Annihilate the Anti Monitor....The Ivory Kings win!!!
Originally posted by Galan007There's also the fact that the entire race was destroyed by a blast/detonation that destroyed a few-hundred-thousand universes. Seems impressive at first glance, but when we remember that the multiverse in its totality contained infinite universes, a blast of that magnitude becomes utterly insignificant by comparison. [/B]
Ehhh....No. The Multiverse isn't infinite as previously thought. Actually you can find the evidence in the same comic. The blast produced by the molecule man as described by Dr. Strange (if my memory doesn't fail me), was as you said capable of destroying hundreds of thousands of universes, it was such a massive blast that only a dozen universes remained. So, no it isn't infinite. After the Secret Wars the concept Multiverse became less impressive and turned down. Nowadays, it is the term Omniverse that reigns. Where the Multiverse isn't infinite, and there are other realities outside the Multiverse. For instance, the same Beyonders don't live or exist within the Marvel's multiverse but outside this. So, the Marvel's multiverse lies within the Omniverse as well as the realm from where the Beyonders came. Recently also the First Firmament and the Aspirants also don't form part of the Multiverse, but of the Omniverse.
In conclusion, after all these events, Marvel just expanded their universe with The Beyonders being their way of doing this. Soon i believe we will learn more about this Omniverse, which is just begining to be born.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Taking into account the power that AM had on COEI it was nothing short of PIS that he lost the battle.AM should have never lost the battle vs the heroes to be honest, but hey, it's comics.
Ik, very powerful. Now imagine the power the Beyonders showed in the Secret Wars... Man, everyone was shitting themselves.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ik, very powerful. Now imagine the power the Beyonders showed in the Secret Wars... Man, everyone was shitting themselves.
Haven't read about them to be honest so I could not comment on them.
But AM was powered as Galan mentioned by infinite universes minus five. Yes that was INFINITE UNIVERSES MINUS FIVE. That is why I said it was complete PIS for AM to lose vs the heroes. IMO
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Haven't read about them to be honest so I could not comment on them.But AM was powered as Galan mentioned by infinite universes minus five. Yes that was INFINITE UNIVERSES MINUS FIVE. That is why I said it was complete PIS for AM to lose vs the heroes. IMO
Yes you are right. Am not saying the Antimonitor isn't a universe killing machine! But the beyonders.....damn man! If you haven't read about them i recommend you to read the comics, really interesting. Don't wish to spoil you. But the Beyonders practically where the tool to recon the Marvel Multiverse. Really nice story.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes you are right. Am not saying the Antimonitor isn't a universe killing machine! But the beyonders.....damn man! If you haven't read about them i recommend you to read the comics, really interesting. Don't wish to spoil you. But the Beyonders practically where the tool to recon the Marvel Multiverse. Really nice story.
I will read it soon 👆 thank you 🙂
