COIE Anti-Monitor vs. Ivory Kings

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. The manifestations contain the very essence of the Beyonders....pure Beyonder, in other words,

By your logic, Silver Surfer should be as powerful as Galactus since both contain pure Power Cosmic. By your logic, each member of the pre-Annihilation Nova Corps should be just as powerful as full Nova Force Richard Rider since all contain pure Nova Force. By your logic, Hal Jordan becomes no more powerful even after absorbing the full power battery since he contains pure GL power before and after.

Each of the Phoenix Five are established as being 1/5 as powerful as a single bearer of the Phoenix Force despite each containing pure Phoenix Force.

All throughout comicbook history, a power source divided between a certain number of individuals is divided in power level by that very number. Hundreds, if not thousands of those same Beyonder manifestations are sent to attack Thor and Hyperion. Do you seriously think that each of those hundreds or thousands are equal in power to each of the three multiverse destroyers? LMAO!

I thought the Beyonders held limitless power?

Infinity divided by a thousand is still...infinity.

The PC has limits, as does the Nova Force, as does the GLC, as does the P5.

Not to mention, the GLC, Nova Force and P5 are heavily dependent on the wielders. If you have proof that the Beyonders were limited, then post it, by all means.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
By your logic, Silver Surfer should be as powerful as Galactus since both contain pure Power Cosmic. By your logic, each member of the pre-Annihilation Nova Corps should be just as powerful as full Nova Force Richard Rider since all contain pure Nova Force. By your logic, Hal Jordan becomes no more powerful even after absorbing the full power battery since he contains pure GL power before and after.

Each of the Phoenix Five are established as being 1/5 as powerful as a single bearer of the Phoenix Force despite each containing pure Phoenix Force.

All throughout comicbook history, a power source divided between a certain number of individuals is divided in power level by that very number. Hundreds, if not thousands of those same Beyonder manifestations are sent to attack Thor and Hyperion. Do you seriously think that each of those hundreds or thousands are equal in power to each of the three multiverse destroyers? LMAO!

I completely agree with you Bro 😄

So Beyonders AREN'T infinite in power?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
By your logic, Silver Surfer should be as powerful as Galactus since both contain pure Power Cosmic. By your logic, each member of the pre-Annihilation Nova Corps should be just as powerful as full Nova Force Richard Rider since all contain pure Nova Force. By your logic, Hal Jordan becomes no more powerful even after absorbing the full power battery since he contains pure GL power before and after.

Each of the Phoenix Five are established as being 1/5 as powerful as a single bearer of the Phoenix Force despite each containing pure Phoenix Force.

All throughout comicbook history, a power source divided between a certain number of individuals is divided in power level by that very number. Hundreds, if not thousands of those same Beyonder manifestations are sent to attack Thor and Hyperion. Do you seriously think that each of those hundreds or thousands are equal in power to each of the three multiverse destroyers? LMAO!

They were different and were a race of Beyonders.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Considering it's the entire race, I'd side with the Beyonders here.

I mean yeah two were beaten by Starbrand explosion and weird Ex-Nihili/Abyss shenanigans, but the fact remains that there were thousands of Beyonders, and it only took three to kill the LT, who is generally considered = COIE AM

Even the whole Thor and Hyperion thing is considered way to much- we never see Thor or Hype do any damage to a single Beyonder, and it's clear they swarmed out on mass because they were angry, not because they were all needed to deal with them.

So yeah, COIE AM is no joke and would do well but against their entire race would probably lose.

Yep. One of the Beyonders while holding back almost killed Thor and Hyperion with ease. People put way to much stock into that showing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought the Beyonders held limitless power?

Infinity divided by a thousand is still...infinity.

The PC has limits, as does the Nova Force, as does the GLC, as does the P5.

Not to mention, the GLC, Nova Force and P5 are heavily dependent on the wielders. If you have proof that the Beyonders were limited, then post it, by all means.

The PC is actually infinite as the scan below shows. This is a good example of how one can be limited despite channeling power from an infinite power source.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep. One of the Beyonders while holding back almost killed Thor and Hyperion with ease. People put way to much stock into that showing.

A lot of stock is placed, because it is literally 50% of their showings, lol.

If out of 100 appearances of Hulk, 50 showed him able to fly....you'd use it, no?

You kidding? If Hulk flew one time out of a thousand showings, carver would act like it's a standard ability for him. 👆

Hulk flew three-four times in 5-6 thousand showings, correct?

So I think we might actually be closer to pinpointing Carter's retardedness.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said that those Beyonders were manifestations of a single Beyonder as you are implying?

They were different and were a race of Beyonders.

I didn't imply that they are manifestations of one Beyonder. Where do you get that from? The scan I posted describes the manifestations as "solid states containing their very essence". "Their" is plural, so clearly they are manifestations of more than one.

On the other hand, "essence" is singular and implies that the Beyonders together possess a single essence and that essence continues to exist in Secret Wars as power channeled through Reece to Doom and now as the power Reece, Reed, Franklin and Sue are using to rebuild the multiverse.

The Beyonder manifestations that fight Thor and Hype are probably similar to what Imperiex Probes are to Imperiex. The probes contain small amounts of Imperiex Prime's essence and they refer to themselves as Imperiex IIRC (I don't think that Imperiex Prime ever uses "Prime" to refer to himself). But none of the probes are as powerful as Imperiex Prime. So one cannot sit here and conclude that all Beyonder manifestations are equal nor that all are equal to the three multiverse destroyers that we see. The evidence overwhelmingly supports that they are not equal.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I didn't imply that they are manifestations of one Beyonder. Where do you get that from? The scan I posted describes the manifestations as "solid states containing their very essence". "Their" is plural, so clearly they are manifestations of more than one.

This is like you don't even know what you are trying to say.

On the other hand, "essence" is singular and implies that the Beyonders together possess a single essence and that essence continues to exist in Secret Wars as power channeled through Reece to Doom and now as the power Reece, Reed, Franklin and Sue are using to rebuild the multiverse.

Yes, the whole race of Beyonders. There is no single essence of Beyonders and it's never implied.

The Beyonder manifestations that fight Thor and Hype are probably similar to what Imperiex Probes are to Imperiex. The probes contain small amounts of Imperiex Prime's essence and they refer to themselves as Imperiex IIRC (I don't think that Imperiex Prime ever uses "Prime" to refer to himself). But none of the probes are as powerful as Imperiex Prime. So one cannot sit here and conclude that all Beyonder manifestations are equal nor that all are equal to the three multiverse destroyers that we see. The evidence overwhelmingly supports that they are not equal.

That's some made up bullshit. Again. It's made clear that These were the same Beyonders who killed LT.

http://postimg.org/image/3q3k7qv4b/

The artist changed their forms in the next comic but they are literally the same Beyonders as shown here.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep. One of the Beyonders while holding back almost killed Thor and Hyperion with ease. People put way to much stock into that showing.

Maybe you all didn't read my statement right. Let me repeat. ONE Beyonder STOMPED both Thor and Hyperion with ease. Nearly squeezed out Hyperion eyes while casually walking through his eye blast and snatched Thor arm off casually and was nearly about to kill him until he was saved. What does this tell us? This tells us that a Beyonder is far above both Hyperion and Thor that the two are fodder and 2, you all ignored this and put stock into a showing that is irrelevant. I hope you all understand/understood that. If not, let me know and I'll reword it for ya. Hulk stomps.

Lmao carvers drunk, again.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lmao carvers drunk, again.

Yep, I am. 💃

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is like you don't even know what you are trying to say.

I know exactly what I'm saying. You clearly don't.

Yes, the whole race of Beyonders. There is no single essence of Beyonders and it's never implied.

It's flat out stated. "Their essence".

That's some made up bullshit. Again. It's made clear that These were the same Beyonders who killed LT.

http://postimg.org/image/3q3k7qv4b/

The artist changed their forms in the next comic but they are literally the same Beyonders as shown here.

Nope. Deodato drew them based on what they are stated to be in the book. "Physical manifestations". The notion of a single panel visualization of Owen's oracling taking precedence over the images of the following issue that actually tells the story of the encounter is absurd. Plus, if you are going on art making it clear who someone is, then the Beyonders in the link you posted actually look noticeably different from the ones who fight LT.

Plus, didn't you stated on the other board that dialogue takes precedence over art?

Abhi caught in another double standard.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Lmao carvers drunk, again.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep, I am. 💃