ANH Vader vs TPM Maul

Started by SunRazer11 pages

It was with ease, and he did smash them together afterwards 😬

Smashing several into the wall in quick succession with enough force to turn them into many smaller pieces, with ease > disintegrating one with maximum effort.

And he was said to be inferior to Maul at that point. Good thing that his feat were retconed, but still, Dooku, Ventress, Ani and Obi are all victims of that. And Kenobi is in the best situation, as he could have remach vs inferior (cannonicaly stronger) version of Opress.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It was with ease, and he did smash them together afterwards 😬

Smashing several into the wall in quick succession with enough force to turn them into many smaller pieces, with ease > disintegrating one with maximum effort.

Repeating yourself won't make it true 🙄

How is SK's Salvation feat max effort, when he was multitasking and had no time whatsoever to gather power? He noticed Juno standing next to Vader and he instantly pulverized the ship.

Quote for Dooku doing it with ease? Because the quote posted on the 2nd page doesn't imply anything of the sort.

Disintegration is better yeah, the destructive output should make that obvious.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Repeating yourself won't make it true 🙄

How is SK's Salvation feat max effort, when he was multitasking and had no time whatsoever to gather power? He noticed Juno standing next to Vader and he instantly pulverized the ship.

Quote for Dooku doing it with ease? Because the quote posted on the 2nd page doesn't imply anything of the sort.

Was he still shielding it right at that moment?

The stuff about Dooku being amused, and yes, the ships being moved easily.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Was he still shielding it right at that moment?

Yes, and he was guiding it as well.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The stuff about Dooku being amused, and yes, the ships being moved easily.

So you got nothing. Being amused doesn't mean he did it with ease, and the quote doesn't state he moved them easily.

Since Dooku was off-screen when the feat happened he might've been gathering power ala Bane for all we know.

The text notes when Dooku gathering power about the same scene when he ragdolls Anakin. It doesn't mention that here, so that's baseless speculation on your part.

And it states the Sith moved them so easily.

The quote posted on the 2nd page doesn't say so, and Dooku was off-screen so there was no narative to inform us of what Dooku was doing.

So again I ask you to Quote or gtfo.

I'm sure it was very easy to pull off on a nexus. 😉

What quote on the second page? I'm talking about this.

He paused by the wreckage of the vehicles that the mysterious Sith had moved so easily.

-- Jedi Quest: The Final Showdown

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
The quote posted on the 2nd page doesn't say so, and Dooku was off-screen so there was no narative to inform us of what Dooku was doing.

So again I ask you to Quote or gtfo.

Dooku's off-screen the entire time. The protagonists can feel him and there's a part where Obi-Wan feels the mysterious Sith gathering power before ragdolling Anakin. That's not mentioned here. So you're speculating baselessly.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku's off-screen the entire time. The protagonists can feel him and there's a part where Obi-Wan feels the mysterious Sith gathering power before ragdolling Anakin. That's not mentioned here. So you're speculating baselessly.

Well it was the same instance, no more than a minute passed, so why would he need to gather power twice?

Anyhow if Dooku needs to gather power on a dark side nexus to ragdoll a pre-AotC weakened Anakin then I guess he has no business being on Vader level 😛

I feel like SK would ragdoll Dooku.

I feel like SK should ragdoll Dooku, but he wouldn't. And he'd probably lose imo.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Well it was the same instance, no more than a minute passed, so why would he need to gather power twice?

Anyhow if Dooku needs to gather power on a dark side nexus to ragdoll a pre-AotC weakened Anakin then I guess he has no business being on Vader level 😛

He gathers power after the cruiser throwing.

Vader couldn't even ragdoll ESB Luke 😆

Originally posted by SunRazer
Vader couldn't even ragdoll ESB Luke 😆
Don't try it.

I'm not trying.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because? The fact they were moving doesn't mean they were levitating.

Ah, so Dooku was dragging them around? No mention of that in the text.

And for someone of his age, not convinced four years would make that much of a difference, though its probably worth doing more research into the potency of the planet.

Dooku's potential was hard for Yoda to comprehend, and after studying Andeddu's holocron, I'd say he's improved quite a bit in those four years:

Dooku's strength in the Force made him enigmatic for even Yoda.

-Episode II Visual Guide

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/4909822-holocron+gives+power.png

As for Korriban:

They arrived in the middle of the day. He had expected them to touch down at Dreshdae, the only city on the dark and forbidding world. Instead the ship landed at a starport built atop an ancient temple overlooking a desolate valley. A chill wind blew across the landing pad as he disembarked, but it didn’t bother Des. After the stale air of the pit, any breeze felt good. He felt a shiver go down his spine as his foot touched Korriban’s surface. He’d heard that this had once been a place of great power, though now only the merest shadows remained.

[...]

Still, he was troubled. He remembered the first time he’d set foot on Korriban. He’d sensed the power of the world: Korriban was alive with the dark side. Yet the feeling had been faint and distant. During his time at the Academy he’d grown so accustomed to the almost subconscious hum that he barely even noticed it anymore.

When he’d left the temple and the starport behind, he’d expected that feeling to grow stronger. With each step drawing him closer to the Valley of the Dark Lords he thought he’d feel the dark side growing in its intensity.

Instead he’d felt nothing. No noticeable change at all. He was only a few kilometers away from the valley’s entrance; he could see the shaded outlines of the nearest tombs carved from the stone walls. And still the dark side was no stronger than a hollow echo, no more than the lingering memory of distant words spoken in the distant past.

-Darth Bane: Path Of Destruction

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"Korriban has lost potency over the past 7000 years, but it still whispers of dark secrets."

-Darth Sidious

So yes, Dooku should definately be able to replicate this feat without a nexus in RotS.

The most damning point against the Count here being that he's never replicated it anywhere else, certainly he doesn't unleash anything remotely comparable against Yoda.

Argument from ignorance. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

I think they are all in the same league when you consider the weight manipulated, forces counteracted, and distance from prime.

Oh yes, they're in the same league, definately. Although Marek is the weakest of the three.

For example the communications tower Marek launched:

By eyeballing alone I'd say is entering the same size range, and in the same title Vader ragdolls him.

I am aware of those feats. The towers do not impress me that much. But do you take Vader ragdolling Starkiller as legitimate? It contradicts every other version (except Sam Witwer, whose non-canon).

Then we have Marek manipulating an ISD, a vessel infinitely larger than the ones Dooku is playing with. And Vader pulling down a freighter, which are typically 30-40m long, rather than just shifting one, a dozen years before his prime. Personally I find Vader's superiority to a telekinetic powerhouse like Marek in general to be more compelling evidence of power.

Considering the fact that Marek only budged the ISD and almost passed out, I don't think that's outside of Dooku's power range. Dooku's only ever reached his limit against Yoda, all his other feats he has done with utter ease. He's better than Marek, and just as powerful as Vader.

The ships were levitating, since they smashed into the wall overhead, and upon doing so, the parts showered like rain on Obi-Wan and Anakin. That's obviously not them just skidding across the floor. They wouldn't shatter on impact with the wall if they just skidded across the floor anyway.

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