ANH Vader vs Kit Fisto

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Originally posted by Jmanghan
...Isn't that comic outdated? :/

This, and if ESB Luke would've hindered Vader toragdoll him, that means just ESB Luke>>Fisto 🙂

All it means is Vader couldn't rag doll a noob who didn't know how to block a Force choke and Fisto is confirmed to be Vader's superior in Cestus Deception 🙂

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
It's legit C-canon.

Maybe you haven't heard, but there is no legit C-Canon anymore.

There's either Canon or Legends (Legends being work that's not Canon).

Then it's legit Legends then 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Maybe you haven't heard, but there is no legit C-Canon anymore.

There's either Canon or Legends (Legends being work that's not Canon).

But there can be non-canon legends work.

Thats only non-canon to legends.

Lol

It's not Legends, Legends is Expanded Universe material published before the reboot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Is the starkiller stuff canon ?

It's in cut scenes which do not occur in the other game versions, novel or comic. So if you want to be like Zoltan and apply the multiverse theory to the feats then I guess they could be. Otherwise they're contradicted.

That's not what he meant, he means Canon with a capital "C" because Quan believes Legends material to be "fan fiction."

Anyway if we are going to discuss this feat seriously it should be noted that Vader was toying with/testing Luke in that fight:

Taken from The Empire Strikes Back junior novelisation

Vader stood in the shadows of the reactor control room and watched Luke walk toward a large circular window. Beyond the window was Cloud City's reactor shaft, a central wind tunnel nearly a kilometer in diameter.

Vader thought, You were unwise to follow me down here. It would have been so much easier on you if you'd allowed yourself to be frozen in carbonite.

Yes. Search the room for me. I'm not hiding. I'm right here. You see me now?

Good.

Go on. Activate your lightsaber. The blue blade still looks so pure. Do you know I'm familiar with that particular weapon? The very one you're holding? The one that Obi-Wan must have given you. No, I don't believe you know that. Not yet.

Allow me to activate my own lightsaber. That's right ... gaze at it, and believe that I'm preparing to strike. Don't mistake me ... I am preparing to strike, but not with my lightsaber. I shall use the Force.

Pay no attention to the crack of metal behind you. That's just the sound of a pipe snapping from the wall and flying toward you. Ah! You dodged it. How clever.

But can you dodge this metal case? No, for it just struck the back of your head. Can you dodge this piece of machinery? No, it seems you could not. Can you dodge this...?

A long, heavy piece of metal pipe traveled through the air, missing Luke's battered body but smashing through the large window. There was a sudden rush of air as the room depressurized, and a fierce wind tore at anything that wasn't bolted down, including Vader and Luke. As Vader's black cape tugged at his neck and shoulders, he reached out to grip the wall and watched as the wind lifted Luke off his feet and sucked him out through the shattered window, into Cloud City's reactor shaft.

So it's unlikely that he was unleashing his full power in that telekinetic attack.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
It's in cut scenes which do not occur in the other game versions, novel or comic. So if you want to be like Zoltan and apply the multiverse theory to the feats then I guess they could be. Otherwise they're contradicted.

It was in 3 sources actually, and supported by Witwer.

Now go on, let's have that salt.

If you're referring to the game versions that maintain the same cut scenes across different consoles ( PS3/Xbox360 ) then you'd be down to one. If you're referring to Vader choking Starkiller in different cutscenes on the Wii versions it doesn't change that it doesn't occur in the other versions.

Witwer being a non canon source who, let me remind you, you all ignored his commentary on Maul when the finale for Rebels season 2 first came out. Hypocrite.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Now go on, let's have that salt.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Witwer being a non canon source who, let me remind you, you all ignored his commentary on Maul when the finale for Rebels season 2 first came out. Hypocrite.
Lmao.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
If you're referring to the game versions that maintain the same cut scenes across different consoles ( PS3/Xbox360 ) then you'd be down to one. If you're referring to Vader choking Starkiller in different cutscenes on the Wii versions it doesn't change that it doesn't occur in the other versions.

PC: https://youtu.be/-AK3ZmkjsqE?t=2h21m25s
PS: https://youtu.be/C-qLmEhVSrs?t=16m19s
Xbox: https://youtu.be/FginrdtbmZk?t=20m56s
Wii: https://youtu.be/pPEwcVujTrM?t=3m13s

Prima Official Game Guide: "You grab your sabers and attack, but Vader is too powerful. He tosses you away like a rag doll."

Any more questions?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Witwer being a non canon source who, let me remind you, you all ignored his commentary on Maul when the finale for Rebels season 2 first came out. Hypocrite.

You are right, that he's word is not canon, but he's still more reliable than your biased, salty ass. Besides, he's not talking about his opinons (which is a fair basis to dismiss non canon authority quotes), he's talking about the fact that how TFU III was envisioned by the devs, and by association how they wrote the story of TFU II. So the only way for you to ignore his words if you think he's lying.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
PC: https://youtu.be/-AK3ZmkjsqE?t=2h21m25s
PS: https://youtu.be/C-qLmEhVSrs?t=16m19s
Xbox: https://youtu.be/FginrdtbmZk?t=20m56s
Wii: https://youtu.be/pPEwcVujTrM?t=3m13s

Prima Official Game Guide: "You grab your sabers and attack, but Vader is too powerful. He tosses you away like a rag doll."

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Originally posted by cs_zoltan

You are right, that he's word is not canon, but he's still more reliable than your biased, salty ass. Besides, he's not talking about his opinons (which is a fair basis to dismiss non canon authority quotes), he's talking about the fact that how TFU III was envisioned by the devs, and by association how they wrote the story of TFU II. So the only way for you to ignore his words if you think he's lying.

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Add PC to the list of games with the same cutscenes. It doesn't change the fact that the Wii versions doesn't doesn't show the same scene and thus contradicts it despite having a similar event.

The Prima guide only confirms events from the PC/Xbox/PS versions which all share the same cut scenes so of course it reciprocates it. It doesn't confirm the Wii ones which we know has different scenes then other game versions.

Show me where he's saying he's speaking for the devs rather then his own opinion.

The Force Unleashed Wii version can easily be singled out for editing the scene due to the constraints of the game engine, i.e. for gameplay purposes. That doesn't somehow invalidate the others. And they all align in depicting Vader telekinetically dominating Marek.