Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Add PC to the list of games with the same cutscenes. It doesn't change the fact that the Wii versions doesn't doesn't show the same scene and thus contradicts it despite having a similar event.
Let me get you logic straight. If different versions have the same cutscene it only counts as one because they are the same, but if they are not the same then it's contradictory so it doesn't count.
Wow, turn down the bias just a little bit.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The Prima guide only confirms events from the PC/Xbox/PS versions which all share the same cut scenes so of course it reciprocates it. It doesn't confirm the Wii ones which we know has different scenes then other game versions.
Actually the Wii ragdollings are referenced in the guide as well.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Show me where he's saying he's speaking for the devs rather then his own opinion.
Are you f-ucking insane?
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Let me get you logic straight. If different versions have the same cutscene it only counts as one because they are the same, but if they are not the same then it's contradictory so it doesn't count.Wow, turn down the bias just a little bit.
Actually the Wii ragdollings are referenced in the guide as well.
Are you f-ucking insane?
I'm saying that regardless of how many game versions corroborate each other there are others that don't.
Even better. Then a prima guide source contradicts the other prima guide sources as well.
N-o.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Syn what even is your point here? I'm knew to this little spat.Are you saying that because the games contradict each other in some places, they are all invalid?
A concession then. 🙂
If there's a third person unbiased descriptive source and there are multiple game versions which contradict each other then yes, I feel the games can be discarded in favor of aforementioned source which is personally what I do.
I mean, if you want to take it that way.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm saying that regardless of how many game versions corroborate each other there are others that don't.
So?
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Even better. Then a prima guide source contradicts the other prima guide sources as well.
What do you mean?
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
N-o.
Then don't ask straight up 10/10 retarded questions. Do you think Witwer was talking about his fanfiction? No, he was talking about what the devs told him.
Read this really carefully: "Yeah, absolutely, I'll give you little tidbits. The story of 3 was going to be as I understand it, thematically the terror of Darth Vader, because, you know, Haden Blackman wasn't about to have you beat this guy two times in a row without making a very strong point at the end of the third one and throughout the third one. That, you know there is, there is a... you know, I shouldn't say too much in case this all happens...But there was definitely moments where Starkiller faces off very cocky against Vader, maybe near the beginning of the game, and Vader *houses* him. And he says "how are you doing this?" And he's says "I'm Darth Vader."...Vader had been gaming him, quite a bit."
I only see him talking about what the devs planned, no opinion whatsoever. If you actually see it differently, then I suggest to wash out the salt from your eyes.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
So?What do you mean?
Then don't ask straight up 10/10 retarded questions. Do you think Witwer was talking about his fanfiction? No, he was talking about what the devs told him.
Read this [b]really
carefully: "Yeah, absolutely, I'll give you little tidbits. The story of 3 was going to be as I understand it, thematically the terror of Darth Vader, because, you know, Haden Blackman wasn't about to have you beat this guy two times in a row without making a very strong point at the end of the third one and throughout the third one. That, you know there is, there is a... you know, I shouldn't say too much in case this all happens...But there was definitely moments where Starkiller faces off very cocky against Vader, maybe near the beginning of the game, and Vader *houses* him. And he says "how are you doing this?" And he's says "I'm Darth Vader."...Vader had been gaming him, quite a bit."I only see him talking about what the devs planned, no opinion whatsoever. If you actually see it differently, then I suggest to wash out the salt from your eyes. [/B]
They're inconsistent.
The prima guide contains two contradicting sources touting them as events that occurred which contradicts itself. Unless your claim is that the only canonized events are ones confirmed by the Prima guide.
"as I understand it"
Thanks for making my point.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
They're inconsistent.
K. Nobody cares.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The prima guide contains two contradicting sources touting them as events that occurred which contradicts itself. Unless your claim is that the only canonized events are ones confirmed by the Prima guide.
You literally just repeated yourself. Quote or gtfo. And I never claimed that only those are canon which are referenced in the Prima guide.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
"as I understand it"Thanks for making my point.
Because it's such a complicated concept that Witwer can't fully comprehend it so he only told them about the parts he could fathom which is obviously not reliable....Or he didn't want to overstep his bounds.
mmm
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaWhereas the game isn't even framed by a narrative, its just there lol, on top of being the primary source. More to the point it's canon, so you can't dismiss it based off a personal method, which obviously holds no weight at all.
If there's a third person unbiased descriptive source and there are multiple game versions which contradict each other then yes, I feel the games can be discarded in favor of aforementioned source which is personally what I do.I mean, if you want to take it that way.
I don't see you applying this logic to the movies and their respect novelisations either, so it seems more like an excuse to me.
Anyway, the official stance as its been outlined by Lucasfilm is that:
1. the games are canon,
and 2. the foggy window approach, that each source is just a different interpretation of the same set of events.
If you have some official justification for regarding the novel above all else though then please, share. Otherwise it's just headcanon.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaThat's a rather selective quoting of the material there Syn, let's apply contexts:
"as I understand it"Thanks for making my point.
The story of 3 was going to be as I understand it, thematically the terror of Darth Vader [...]He's talking about the theme of the game specifically. Then he goes on to explain his reasons for believing that to be the theme:
[...] because, you know, Haden Blackman wasn't about to have you beat this guy two times in a row without making a very strong point at the end of the third one and throughout the third one.Not seeing any indication of speculation there. And then:
But there was definitely moments where Starkiller faces off very cocky against Vader, maybe near the beginning of the game, and Vader *houses* him. And he says "how are you doing this?" And he's says "I'm Darth Vader."...Vader had been gaming him, quite a bit."Definitely" being rather a definitive word, wouldn't you agree? It's pretty obvious what's he's saying, that he's been told a bunch of stuff about the game, and based off that stuff, understands that TFU III was about how bad@ss Vader was.
You literally just repeated yourself. Quote or gtfo. And I never claimed that only those are canon which are referenced in the Prima guide.
I don't need to quote what you just confirmed. If they contradict each other and they're listed in the Prima Guide then the Prima guide is confirming contradicted source which makes the guide itself inaccurate.
Because it's such a complicated concept that Witwer can't fully comprehend it so he only told them about the parts he could fathom which is obviously not reliable....Or he didn't want to overstep his bounds.
Um. I assume this was a typo.
I think Syndicate shoots himself in the foot by whiffing away at all that extra source material he could use for Starkiller. The Wii game for example, depicts him simply overpowering Vader with Force, in both titles. On the other hand, it also introduces some Force-less challengers that give the main character a lot of trouble. Galen had difficulty against both Kleef and Chop'aa, and there's also him getting shoved around by two separate Shadow Guards. However, all of this could be presented in a way to that makes the sun shine out of Marek's backside, but it requires a little eloquence and perhaps the ability to use the quote function on this forum - just as a nice little touch.
On the other hand, Vader fans have been pinned to their corners ever since Old Ben's skills were determined and Luke's successful rebuttal of his Telekinesis was curtain called. They have also yet to explain why he can't win a tug of war with Kanan and Ezra in the middle of a dark side nexus. I see no reason for Fisto to be susceptible to a TK ownnage if the Jedi Master does not allow it. And Fisto is a vastly better swordsman on account of Obi Wan.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Whereas the game isn't even framed by a narrative, its just there lol, on top of being the primary source. More to the point it's canon, so you can't dismiss it based off a personal method, which obviously holds no weight at all.I don't see you applying this logic to the movies and their respect novelisations either, so it seems more like an excuse to me.
Anyway, the official stance as its been outlined by Lucasfilm is that:
1. the games are canon,
and 2. the foggy window approach, that each source is just a different interpretation of the same set of events.
If you have some official justification for regarding the novel above all else though then please, share. Otherwise it's just headcanon.
It's there, yes and it self contradicts.
Just because I don't debate the subject of the movies and their general contradictions with the novels doesn't mean I don't hold the same stance. I take the novelizations of any work over their visual counterpart if they're of the same level of canon and contradict each other. ESPECIALLY if, like in the case of TFU and TFU II, the multiple visual mediums contradict each other anyways.
1. If you want to debate with feats from contradicted works that were declared canon you can feel free to to do that.
2. Assuming you're adopting the multiverse theory as well then?
A third person unbiased descritpvie source that depicts events in a way that can't be misinterpreted is always going to be used over visual events that are contradicted by their counterparts.