Thor (Jane Foster) vs Wonder Woman

It's practically is impossible for Thor to catch ww. Even though Superman wasn't thinking clearly in his fight with ww, that fought for over just 1 minute at superspeed that lead from earth to the sun and back WITHOUT her hitting him physically straight because she was so aware of her disadvantage that got her koed. So she took advantage of hiding and decapitating him before lucking out. All at superspeed. Thor hasn't beaten that, and super was written horribly in that comic, he hears just fine even if you smash his ears while he used super hearing, but they let it be know just how quick he could end her life in Superman/batman absolute power. Which is them basically sending A message on how quickly he'll end her life. Long story short, she'll break Thor's neck at superspeed, either in the air or not. Thor moves too slow airborne.

That's just not true. When airborne Thor has utilized speeds faster than Wonder Woman has ever demonstrated (Wonder Woman getting to the moon under her own power is not conclusive) and has constantly kept up with some of the fastest flyers in the Comic verse engaged in high speed cosmic level fights. Some argued that this was attributed to the hammer (I don't know how that works however, it'd be like manually piloting a ship in hyperspace) but this no longer stands as Aaron has not only shown that 1) When in flight, Thor actually controls and directs the hammer -> 2) which obviously requires ridiculous reflexes to match that speed and -> 3) confirmed this by having her literally perform intricate brain surgery on a dozen patients including the intitial incision into deep tissue in moments.

For the record: Jane Thor and Odin were trading shots covering distances far greater than the Earth to the Sun. Aside from the fact that this was Odin (Who an issue before fought, defeated and out of spite trapped the original cosmic storm so it wasn't like he was being low balled on the power scale TOO much even though the fight should've lasted for a panel) and is far more impressive than anything I can recall Wonder Woman ever doing on panel, the speed they were moving at was monumental. They were bouncing from planetary body to body in the space of panels like ping pong balls. If I remember correctly Odin went from
Earth space to Jupiter in one hit (I'm not sure someone double check that),That's like 3 times the distance from Earth to the Sun at the closest orbit and 4-5 times at the furthest.

Thor has kept up with Angela who has moved faster than thought. She was able to percieve her movement as they zip around virtually invisible all over nyc. Notice how Angela remarks at the fact that Jane can keep up with her.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YihGrCDIel4/VvNm2V8RmgI/AAAAAAABmls/Wsw848rWeb4oXfhqrm8ZDjmMIb-49qphA/s1600/67_11.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MrZcr3yJdMU/VvNm2yQYfFI/AAAAAAABmlw/3h1CmSar1MAW52-ahkQNKABCNeuUf7Rwg/s1600/67_12.jpg

For reference this is Angela parrying multiple attacks at speeds faster thought.
http://imgur.com/X4H0shW.jpg
http://imgur.com/TyLQan9.jpg
http://imgur.com/2CBRAuA.jpg

I honestly don't think Diana is faster than Jane.

Pre52 her fastest caculatable speed feats are lightning speed. Not saying she's not faster than that but going off what's stated and not speculated their both lightning fast.

Jane though wielding Mljonir makes this a 2 on 1 fight, so I've heard.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Vision didn't knock her or any of the heavy hitters out in that fight.

OR is knocking someone off screen(Especially in a huge team fight) is the equivalent of a knock out?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8fGvsZo1x9E/V-KeUCmnGQI/AAAAAAADHtk/wDi99CU8shYl2BoSX-F1ULJ_YbiTLUFRgCLcB/s1600/38_09.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you basing Arron's Odin being a pushover on exactly?

Because the only defining moments we have for his power are: Old King Thor vs. Old Galactus (Mind you, the Odin Force was also weakened and it was still a fight from beings clearly cosmic in scale) and Odin beating and trapping the Mother Storm (Which is a sentient Galaxy sized tempest that away at everything in it's past including star systems).

And if you aren't including Aaron's Thor then you must be referring to Fraction or Gillen's Thor and I don't know how that's possible because the former established Odin as Mutli-Universal in scale at his best and losing to Galactus at his worst and the latter implied that TWOS are actually Beyonder's and had the combined grouping of Marvel's Hell Lords (Mephisto, Dormammu, Cytorrak, Chthon etc.) shit themselves at the prospect of facing the Serpent (And Mephisto with a fear crown forged from the Serpent's power would have taken the seat of the Devil and brought the Multiverse to destruction or whatever) and at his worst had one panel of Zeus/Odin clashing and the Universe shaking. The only other writer I can think off the top of my head writing Odin recently is Starlin and that was only for two panels, one of which put Odin in the same rank as Galactus/Celestials in terms of cosmic power scaling and the writer of Angela who had Odin banish an entire realm (I.e. Universe to a secret plane of existence).

So how exactly is Odin a push over? Unless I'm forgetting something.

And mind you, Odin has been appearing A LOT more in the last decade than he has in the past and that almost always means shitty showings so he's been doing relatively well I'd argue.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As for this fight, I think this is an awesome fight with Jane being noticeably more powerful/versatile overall but Wonder Woman being a lot more experienced but I don't know how much that counts when Jane can call on Mjolnir and have it blast Wonder Woman to pieces without having to do much.

So Jane Thor 5-8/10? Not much has changed in that regard tbh. Except Jane Thor has had a lot less appearances so her using the Mother Storm is far more likely than Thor using the God Blast or any of his other high end attacks against Diana to blast her away.

Jane's tendency to use Mjolnir as a flying bludgeon is also a brutal tactic when the thing can tear through planets and fly at speeds far faster than light. Jane and Diana could literally be trading punches and Mjolnir could bash Diana's head from the back. It's like fighting a herald with 3 arms, one of which is far more powerful than a herald and can fly.

Never change rage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's just not true. When airborne Thor has utilized speeds faster than Wonder Woman has ever demonstrated (Wonder Woman getting to the moon under her own power is not conclusive) and has constantly kept up with some of the fastest flyers in the Comic verse engaged in high speed cosmic level fights. Some argued that this was attributed to the hammer (I don't know how that works however, it'd be like manually piloting a ship in hyperspace) but this no longer stands as Aaron has not only shown that 1) When in flight, Thor actually controls and directs the hammer -> 2) which obviously requires ridiculous reflexes to match that speed and -> 3) confirmed this by having her literally perform intricate brain surgery on a dozen patients including the intitial incision into deep tissue in moments.

For the record: Jane Thor and Odin were trading shots covering distances far greater than the Earth to the Sun. Aside from the fact that this was Odin (Who an issue before fought, defeated and out of spite trapped the original cosmic storm so it wasn't like he was being low balled on the power scale TOO much even though the fight should've lasted for a panel) and is far more impressive than anything I can recall Wonder Woman ever doing on panel, the speed they were moving at was monumental. They were bouncing from planetary body to body in the space of panels like ping pong balls. If I remember correctly Odin went from
Earth space to Jupiter in one hit (I'm not sure someone double check that),That's like 3 times the distance from Earth to the Sun at the closest orbit and 4-5 times at the furthest.

One feat of Superspeed doesn't makes you a speedster rage. Thought you'd know that by now.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor has kept up with Angela who has moved faster than thought. She was able to percieve her movement as they zip around virtually invisible all over nyc. Notice how Angela remarks at the fact that Jane can keep up with her.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YihGrCDIel4/VvNm2V8RmgI/AAAAAAABmls/Wsw848rWeb4oXfhqrm8ZDjmMIb-49qphA/s1600/67_11.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MrZcr3yJdMU/VvNm2yQYfFI/AAAAAAABmlw/3h1CmSar1MAW52-ahkQNKABCNeuUf7Rwg/s1600/67_12.jpg

For reference this is Angela parrying multiple attacks at speeds faster thought.
http://imgur.com/X4H0shW.jpg
http://imgur.com/TyLQan9.jpg
http://imgur.com/2CBRAuA.jpg

It's the writer description that they are moving fast, but should not be taken literally for the min reason that Thor is constantly describe as being slower than a street leveler. As for flight speed and being able to cut corners faster than ww, he can't and is easily seen above on how they want you to view them in flight mode. Have the ever stop to multi_task at the same time using superpeed like we? Not even close because the hammer have to stay in front of them to fly or turn. And Thor no matter how good he is, never put this claimed superspeed to use when fighting the hulk. One time you'll it's just bad writing in Thor doesn't use it against hulk, but several? We have to accept that he's slower than you think.

The outlook of Thor vs hulk reflects our expectations of weaker foes, because Thor constantly states hulk is his greatest opponent that make you believe that Hercules doesn't even come close. Above an average human being, when aligned with quicksilver, Thor easily is shown to be just an average streetleveler. If the team was in trouble and they had both Thor and quicksilver on the team and they need someone with speed to save multiple inside a burning building who do you think they'll choose? It's going to be quicksilver.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So have green Lanterns. Nobody thinks they are faster than Wonder Woman though, do they?

One feat of Superspeed doesn't makes you a speedster rage. Thought you'd know that by now.

He mentioned active combat while in flight and not a foot race and then described a scene that Jane far surpassed and Thor actually has many speed feats under Aaron.

And I don't know why you brought up a Green Lantern which can literally be put on autopilot and has many compensations in place to counter host frailties. If a Green Lantern ring worked the same way as Mjolnir, than yes, Hal Jordan would be a hell of a lot faster than Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by dvampire
The outlook of Thor vs hulk reflects our expectations of weaker foes, because Thor constantly states hulk is his greatest opponent that make you believe that Hercules doesn't even come close. Above an average human being, when aligned with quicksilver, Thor easily is shown to be just an average streetleveler. If the team was in trouble and they had both Thor and quicksilver on the team and they need someone with speed to save multiple inside a burning building who do you think they'll choose? It's going to be quicksilver.

By that logic, Wonder Woman isn't because Flash (Followed by Superman and Green Lantern) would be the ones saving multiple people inside a burning building.

Fyi, when Quicksilver and Thor last met this happened:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3161878-1854110718-37297.jpg

And that was post-modern day upgrade where he was trying his hardest to be a Flash.

Hal and Thor are both faster than ww in flight speed, but when it comes to movement speed, ww would always have total control. Even in air travel, ww's manuverabilty is singular if fighting Thor, he won't be able to keep up unless she stays in a straight line of flight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He mentioned active combat while in flight and not a foot race and then described a scene that Jane far surpassed and Thor actually has many speed feats under Aaron.

ermm

What are you talking about?

And I don't know why you brought up a Green Lantern which can literally be put on autopilot and has many compensations in place to counter host frailties. If a Green Lantern ring worked the same way as Mjolnir, than yes, Hal Jordan would be a hell of a lot faster than Wonder Woman.

GL rings are rarely at autopilot. But since you think Jane can compare with Diana on a single speed feat, here is Diana outpacing Supergirl.

http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/2013-03-21/supergirl-wonder-woman-mahmud-asrar-620.jpg

And Kara shits on any speed feat Thor or Jane have ever done.

https://i.imgur.com/cIr3ug5.jpg

Diana is a speedster, Thor isn't.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
By that logic, Wonder Woman isn't because Flash (Followed by Superman and Green Lantern) would be the ones saving multiple people inside a burning building.

Fyi, when Quicksilver and Thor last met this happened:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3161878-1854110718-37297.jpg

And that was post-modern day upgrade where he was trying his hardest to be a Flash.

Originally posted by dvampire
Hal and Thor are both faster than ww in flight speed, but when it comes to movement speed, ww would always have total control. Even in air travel, ww's manuverabilty is singular if fighting Thor, he won't be able to keep up unless she stays in a straight line of flight.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11119/111197929/4864562-with+mjiolnir+she+blitz+some+giants.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11119/111197929/4864563-with+mjiolnir+she+blitz+some+giants2.jpg

Ya, super straight line.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor got embarrassed in speed and had to use AOE attacks?

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

What are you talking about?

GL rings are rarely at autopilot. But since you think Jane can compare with Diana on a single speed feat, here is Diana outpacing Supergirl.

http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/2013-03-21/supergirl-wonder-woman-mahmud-asrar-620.jpg

And Kara shits on any speed feat Thor or Jane have ever done.

https://i.imgur.com/cIr3ug5.jpg

Diana is a speedster, Thor isn't.

You're replying to a post that was addressing Wonder Woman being faster because of flight speed and referenced Superman vs. Wonder Woman.

But they can be which muddies the waters enough to make it an irrelevant and false analogy. Mjolnir requires direct control and steering and this clearly takes vast super human reflexes. This was always clear to most but Aaron has cemented this as fact.

What does that have to do with anything? And the scan you said literally attributed Diana's upper hand to experience and implies inferiority in speed and strength....

And is that last scan that speed feat that does the shitting?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
By that logic, Wonder Woman isn't because Flash (Followed by Superman and Green Lantern) would be the ones saving multiple people inside a burning building.

Fyi, when Quicksilver and Thor last met this happened:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3161878-1854110718-37297.jpg

And that was post-modern day upgrade where he was trying his hardest to be a Flash.

In you scans, try as he may, Thor's mastery of devastating the ground against quicksilver will be a viable option, because he is KNOWN to be the best speedster in marvel, even though Thor won't acknowledge any mutant being above him in anything. So my disposition is that ww is constantly matched up against speedsters, and she always leave with impressiveness, even if she's slower than these speedsters, she actually does show superseded of her own! I don't think Thor is a bigger threat then cheetah, a character that is very quick and stealthy that she can't be detected by even an average Amazon, not even supergirl (ww #222) could notice her, it took we to be prepared for cheetah's arrival beforehand just to take her out. Ww have a streak of doing good against speedsters, Thor doesn't, and his greatest impact is him being capable of deflecting handgun fire with the spinning of his hammer, but always is put in trouble whenever a character like Spiderman or quicksilver blitz him. There's no potential for speed if he lacks it.

Originally posted by dvampire
It's the writer description that they are moving fast, but should not be taken literally for the min reason that Thor is constantly describe as being slower than a street leveler. As for flight speed and being able to cut corners faster than ww, he can't and is easily seen above on how they want you to view them in flight mode. Have the ever stop to multi_task at the same time using superpeed like we? Not even close because the hammer have to stay in front of them to fly or turn. And Thor no matter how good he is, never put this claimed superspeed to use when fighting the hulk. One time you'll it's just bad writing in Thor doesn't use it against hulk, but several? We have to accept that he's slower than you think.

In any case, I could probably show more proof of Thor's speed described in a positive light than your claim of constant descriptions of being slower than street leveler.

You'd be surprised at how many speedster level characters that fight Hulk are not portrayed with super speed. This statement is not exclusive to Thor.

It's exclusive if Thor is constantly shown being slower than streetleveler's, which is bad for Jane because most would agree that she can't beat Thor. And a streetleveler will be no threat to we.

The science behind ww is that she does lack physical attributes on supergirls or supes level (she can't do it to super&#128522😉, but she's a character that can grow like a human being or a dbz character if she trains. Dc mentioned this, they had to because supes and her have a rivalry, but one character grows in power without any kind of training. Both in quantity and quality, ww is always told by dc to the reader that she trains, and they clearly show the results in her fights by putting her against dc's best! She still lacks speed and strength compared to supes when she does have to engage him, bringing her magical sword and shield with her to fight him. She becomes completely devoid of all consequences if she holds back against supes. So training is a considerable part of do keeping ww close to the kryptonian's that gains their evolution from the sun.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11119/111197929/4864562-with+mjiolnir+she+blitz+some+giants.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11119/111197929/4864563-with+mjiolnir+she+blitz+some+giants2.jpg

Ya, super straight line.

savage

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're replying to a post that was addressing Wonder Woman being faster because of flight speed and referenced Superman vs. Wonder Woman.

But they can be which muddies the waters enough to make it an irrelevant and false analogy. Mjolnir requires direct control and steering and this clearly takes vast super human reflexes. This was always clear to most but Aaron has cemented this as fact.

Except mjolnir does not requires direct muscle control as it has a psionic link with Jane.

Where is it shown that it needs direct control?

What does that have to do with anything? And the scan you said literally attributed Diana's upper hand to experience and implies inferiority in speed and strength....

Diana flat out says they are too close in speed but her experience gives her the edge.

And is that last scan that speed feat that does the shitting?

Let me guess, Thor can type quintillions of lines in the time it took a human to blink, eh?