Originally posted by deathslash
I know that but it doesn't change that beast (when he was still human looking) got beat on by panther (before any of his upgrades).
yes but once again has no relevance to the thread. this is not how the new version of black panther would do against ape beast. and even then we cant judge by that fight since each of them evolved to different degree and how they stack now is unknown. this is something for another thread and actually could be interesting.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The point is quite simple - Beast doesn't do well against skilled fighters in general.
he usually wont do well vs the top skilled streets. same reason why sabretooth gets his ass handed to him by them as well. many of them took out wolverine also. marvel just likes to portray the golden boy streets defeat the stronger and more animalistic characters. however the things as they should be, and specially judging by the way beast already fought sabretooth and wolverine, he has a decent chance knocking out wolverine here and there but will eventually lose to wolverine the majority. vs sabretooth he will have easier time and i see beast writen well with all his powers and abilities taking sabretooth down. more agile, stronger, healing factor, use acrobatics that easily overpowered sabretooth even in close and tight area. when they were outside beast used his agility and simply lauched such a punch creed fell to his knees bleeding. and yes the x men were after him but he has healing factor and simply was healing. jean broke his leg via telekinesis and after few seconds we see him just running away like nothing happened. he was perfectly fine when he fought beast, who by the way was the first one to fight him after he cut archangels wings.
Originally posted by Dareangel
vs sabretooth he will have easier time and i see beast writen well with all his powers and abilities taking sabretooth down.
I think this is wishful thinking. Beast's fighting acumen has been written consistently enough that we can take Beast's fighting skill as what they have been. even with upgrades Beast is just not a fighter.
Anyone REMEMBER how sabretooth used to find Logan on his birthday just to lay an asswhooping on him every year? or did make that up?
Also I would like to add the Sabretooth is as brutal a fighter as Logan if not more so and can be more vicious.
Sabretooth also has more control over himself when going berserk/animalistic.
Logan can win in sheer force of will but I think they would mess each other up so bad that they go feral where IMHO SABES takes it/
Yes. Hank is a scientist with a gentle soul, not a true fighter.
A nice example of how that affects him is his most recent fight with Dark Beast --- who can be considered relatively "frail" because of his age and doesn't have his counterpart's combat expertise... yet he still whooped 616 Beast's (post-Cat upgrade) ass.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWscans please. I didn't see that fight. Also, how old is dark beast in comparison to beast?
Yes. Hank is a scientist with a gentle soul, not a true fighter.A nice example of how that affects him is his most recent fight with Dark Beast --- who can be considered relatively "frail" because of his age and doesn't have his counterpart's combat expertise... yet he still whooped 616 Beast's (post-Cat upgrade) ass.
Originally posted by deathslash
scans please. I didn't see that fight.
http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/90065790140/beast-vs-dark-beast-from-x-men-1991-203
Originally posted by deathslash
Also, how old is dark beast in comparison to beast?
20 years older, afaik.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWwow.......He got owned hard. I mean, the first and second hit could be seen as sucker shots, but the third and fourth were just outright ownage. What's even worse is that he got owned by his weaker, less physically powerful, much older alternate reality version of himself who didn't even spend much (if any) time fighting.
http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/90065790140/beast-vs-dark-beast-from-x-men-1991-20320 years older, afaik.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/90065790140/beast-vs-dark-beast-from-x-men-1991-203
👆 That's really quite telling. Beast have almost no showing of H2H skill against any respected opponent.
damn. thats the dark beast that easily got owned by sabretooth and went down from wolverines elbow. damn. thats the reason why i said ae beast because them writers wont fool me. they say he evolved and became stronger yeah stronger my a$$. ever since he became cat like he always has that measurable look on his face even when he is fighting. its dat victim face. in his current form he fought sabretooth and was wrecked. sabretooth said that he has no will to fight and if he had the will he could be better than wolverine. not sure about that but the oint is he lost all resistance and will for fighting. he needs to get into some crazy secial 1 in a million berzerk mode, just so he can finally fight normally.
however during his ae form days you could see him being a more serious fighter. mostly during his early days but even later. in his ae form he beat the living hell out of dark beast. wrecked him comletely. thats why his current form is even weaker than his human form in which he owned kraven and had 1000X better showings.
Originally posted by krisblaze
iirc Beast beat Dark Beast in an earlier appearance?At any rate he still can't compete with either of these.
yes in his ape form. beast during those days had the will to fight. he threw down no problem. but ever sice dat cat form.. oh hell no. he always got this measurable look on his face like he wants to suicide or something. has no will for anything aside of wearing glasses and talk all day long. i really really dont like what they did with him. he is basically useless aside of his brains now days.
Originally posted by leonidas
beast gets totally wrecked here. not sure how it can be argued--reasonably--any other way.
his ape form and better days can knock out both sabretooth and wolverine IMO. majority wins over wolverine nah. against sabretooth its a toss up IMO. again, i am talking about his ape form, the day when he wrecked spiral with a punch, gave wolverine a good fight. owned sabretooth in 2 different fights. gave iron man hard fight. knocked out wonder man. completely destroyed dark beast. knocked out frenzy. had strength feats such as throwing cars, tearing off chunks of land to cover from projectiles. tear metal tanks. create ground quackes via punching the ground. that beast is a nice fight to any of those 2. after beast evolved to this cat like form thats it. he became some pathetic EMO for some unexplained reason that is begging for his life with a victim face all the time.
Originally posted by Dareangel
his ape form and better days can knock out both sabretooth and wolverine IMO. majority wins over wolverine nah. against sabretooth its a toss up IMO. again, i am talking about his ape form, the day when he wrecked spiral with a punch, gave wolverine a good fight. owned sabretooth in 2 different fights. gave iron man hard fight. knocked out wonder man. completely destroyed dark beast. knocked out frenzy. had strength feats such as throwing cars, tearing off chunks of land to cover from projectiles. tear metal tanks. create ground quackes via punching the ground. that beast is a nice fight to any of those 2. after beast evolved to this cat like form thats it. he became some pathetic EMO for some unexplained reason that is begging for his life with a victim face all the time.
No.