Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, there was a brief period of time where he was being pushed as a badass. But as I said before, it was decades ago...Even that version still loses here though.
No. I dont believe that either. Beast was never displayed as a bad ass. That goes against his character. He's a scientist FIRST. Just like Richards...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
On a team with Wolverine, what fighting niche could Beast possibly fill, lol. He's going up against a guy created to fight the Hulk...Sin and others are right. He's just a scientist, who can sometimes handle himself.
Beast fought a guy who was as strong as the Hulk and practically took him out.
In Claremont's newer run.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
No. I dont believe that either. Beast was never displayed as a bad ass. That goes against his character. He's a scientist FIRST. Just like Richards...
during his time with the x factor he was less of a scientist and more of a powerhouse fighting iron man and taking out frenzy and wonder man. he had a lot of other fights where he took out big sized mutants and weird cretures but they are not some well known characters so we dont know how powerful they were. however, he was intended to be a powerhouse and it was stated many times by the writers. even with the x men same thing happened at first, however writers decided they have rouge and colossus so beast should stick to being the smart guy. however he had a very decent and long period of being a bad ass fighter. just because he is smart doesnt mean he cant kick ass. in sabretooth danger zone beast is chasing him saying you know how it works creed. for every person you hurt i break 5 of your bones and creed was trying to calm him down before getting his face smashed. you have a hard time accepting beast as a fighter because of moden days. but at least it makes some sense that its due to his evolution and therefor as ape beast he can be argued as a fighter.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
No. I dont believe that either. Beast was never displayed as a bad ass. That goes against his character. He's a scientist FIRST. Just like Richards...
Originally posted by Dareangel
during his time with the x factor he was less of a scientist and more of a powerhouse fighting iron man and taking out frenzy and wonder man. he had a lot of other fights where he took out big sized mutants and weird cretures but they are not some well known characters so we dont know how powerful they were. however, he was intended to be a powerhouse and it was stated many times by the writers. even with the x men same thing happened at first, however writers decided they have rouge and colossus so beast should stick to being the smart guy. however he had a very decent and long period of being a bad ass fighter. just because he is smart doesnt mean he cant kick ass. in sabretooth danger zone beast is chasing him saying you know how it works creed. for every person you hurt i break 5 of your bones and creed was trying to calm him down before getting his face smashed. you have a hard time accepting beast as a fighter because of moden days. but at least it makes some sense that its due to his evolution and therefor as ape beast he can be argued as a fighter.
He's not a powerhouse though. Being the strongest man on a team of noobs doesnt make you so. And despite your fan service he's yet to prove a legit challenge to any character of note. People keep bringing up Danger but he didnt beat her up under normal conditions. He HAD to go OOC. He doesnt have that plot luxury here.
He can't beat Cap or Panther...gets killed against a serious Logan or Creed. Someone mentioned Feral, but imo he's beneath Wolfsbane, Feral, Tigra because he simply DOES NOT HAVE the feats to back up a h2h encounter. His stats a cool and all but his perfomance is lackluster. Fighting imo is OOC for beast. He's best served in the lab
Originally posted by Sin I AM
He's not a powerhouse though. Being the strongest man on a team of noobs doesnt make you so. And despite your fan service he's yet to prove a legit challenge to any character of note. People keep bringing up Danger but he didnt beat her up under normal conditions. He HAD to go OOC. He doesnt have that plot luxury here.
He can't beat Cap or Panther...gets killed against a serious Logan or Creed. Someone mentioned Feral, but imo he's beneath Wolfsbane, Feral, Tigra because he simply DOES NOT HAVE the feats to back up a h2h encounter. His stats a cool and all but his perfomance is lackluster. Fighting imo is OOC for beast. He's best served in the lab
i am not trying to ut him on the levels of colossus but still he displayed as pointed out the ability to take it to characters such as iron man, wonder man, frenzy, oh yeah and now i found a feat of him hitting freakin pegan with both of his fists making him actually feel his strikes. aside of fighting feats he has plenty of agility and strength feats to easily put him as super human. owned sabretooth twice. had a fight with wolverine and actually in logans own comics was portrayed as stronger and avoided his hits. also being able to heal from his cuts. but the fact is, people still refuse to see him as a powerful fighter and a brick, because most of the time he doesnt fight. but when he does, or better yet when he did fight as ape beast he had good showings. he was kicking ass. he knew when to throw the books and jump into the fight. yeah its the tv series opening scene mention Lol. the thing is ever since he became a big cat he became something else. his mindset changed. as i said already sabretooth himself stated he just doesnt have any will to fight. same sabretooth that was owned and scared of beast when he was in his ape form. this is the reason why i used ape beast for this thread. and if we talk about him then he has enough feats of fighting, strength agility and skills to suggest he can at least knock out several fights wolverine or sabretooth. specially his x factor feats where he suppose to actually wreck the both of them. the thing is, the comics cimmunity got used to treat beast as the hairy scientist. and yes its hard to suddenly see things slightly differently after your mind already programed something in a specific way. but the feats are there to grab.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, there's context.I was led to believe Beast straight up overpowered WM. Instead, all he did was use his athleticism to use WMs own momentum against him.
not overpowered but beat. beast slammed him into a wall with his legs causing him a knock out. its right there. by the way thats not all of the fight. before that beast was exchanging blows with wonder man and hurt him with kicks and acrobatics. dont get me wrong wonder man is stronger than beast. its a fact. but beast was able to fight him and even knock him out
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, but he essentially KOd himself. Beast even acknowledges it right there in the scan, that it was his athleticism, not his durability, or speed, or strength.And interms of athleticism, Sabes and Wolvy are leagues ahead of WM.
IOW, we're comparing apples and oranges.
you can see that beast used contact and was the one who threw wonder man + his momentum into the wall. you can see beast having his legs up because he used them. if he was just acrobatically ducking on the back his legs wouldnt be up. i dont understand how is it a lesser of a feat to be honest. its a basic judo drill where you are using your oponents energy against him but of course you add your own technique and strength. thats why you see the WHAP sound portraying a contact. of course thats also acrobatic on behalf of beast. but its not like wonder man jumed and beast just ducked and wonder man knocked out himself. characters use techniques like those all the time, but i never saw that for some reason it was held agains them for using a fighting technique and not straight out overpower the foe by going punch for punch until someone is down. its a win