Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh yes, not saying its not a win.Am saying I was led to believe he outmuscled him/punched him out himself.
When, instead of a boxing match, it was an aikido throw.
Which speaks to athleticism, NOT strength.
Which again, is applicable to WM, and WM only. NOT to Wolvy or Sabes.
yeah but wolvie and sabs are not nearly as strong as wonder man either
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Temporary strength upgrade. Remember when he helped the Hulk and Hercules bend metal bars?As for Simon, yes, nothing more than using his own momentum against him... like DS said.
strength upgrade... i really dont recall him having upgrades during that fight. when and how did he get a temporary upgrade
During an attack on New York by the eternal mutant Apocalypse and his Four Horsemen, Hank was stricken with a virus that sapped his intellect and increased his strength every time he exerted himself physically. The more Hank used his strength, the stronger he got, but the less intelligent he became.
http://marvel.com/universe/Beast_(Henry_McCoy)
Whenever a decent strength feat is posted, it turns out Hank was amped in a way... another KMC tradition, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who has received upgrades since then, right?
yeah but his ugrades excluding the last one were just like beasts upgrades, didnt change anything for him. and i believe danger zone was after his second upgrade anyway. creed also had the last upgrade for a short time after that he came back to be the long hair sabs who get handled easily
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
During an attack on New York by the eternal mutant Apocalypse and his Four Horsemen, Hank was stricken with a virus that sapped his intellect and increased his strength every time he exerted himself physically. The more Hank used his strength, the stronger he got, but the less intelligent he became.http://marvel.com/universe/Beast_(Henry_McCoy)
Whenever a decent strength feat is posted, it turns out Hank was amped in a way... another KMC tradition, lol.
it doesnt sound like sone external upgrade but just inner activation of powers. secondly even if its an upgrade then fine, whats wrong with upgrades. sabretooth has tons of upgrades and people have no problem bringing them up because thats part of the character. hell beast got an upgrade from human to ape form. also, strange i didnt know about it since it was never mentioned as far as i recall in more 90s comics and so on. is it something permanent or something that ended and gone
Originally posted by Dareangel
is it something permanent or something that ended and gone
Read the damn article.
It was temporary and it's lost gone. You even have Beast in the Frenzy scan itself hinting at said upgrade... "there have been some dramatic improvements". And Frenzy comments it's not his usual power level just moments before that.
You're not defending an underdog like you said before. You're clearly biased. Otherwise you'd have no trouble acknowledging the simple facts.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Read the damn article.It was temporary and it's lost gone. You even have Beast in the Frenzy scan itself hinting at said upgrade... "there have been some dramatic improvements". And Frenzy comments it's not his usual power level just moments before that.
You're not defending an underdog like you said before. You're clearly biased. Otherwise you'd have no trouble acknowledging the simple facts.
well if its something he had for a limited time and was gone then yeah, that feat is not his to wield 🙁
well he still has nice fighting feats but shame
Originally posted by leonidas
it certainly does seem that way. and championing an underdog only makes sense if the underdog can legitimately and logically be championed. beast has quite literally no chance. and if beast were real and you asked him, i'd wager he would tell you the exact same thing. lol
if you asked beast he would say he can KO each of them. he would also ask whats in it for him. why should he fight them. i dont know man, funds for researches? club skanks? what can you offer him?
This is the page preceding the WonderMan scan....
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75188/2193969-vswondy.jpg
WM isn't exactly trading blows with Beast, going toe-to-toe with him. He's just hurling him(?) through some windows.
Next page:
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75188/2193970-vswondey2.jpg
So it's hardly that great a feat.
Also, Dareangel, you have said that Wolverine would beat Beast, but Beast has a good chance against Sabes.
Sabes is Wolvy's better.
http://i.imgur.com/fkQrUPF.jpg
Even his HF is better:
http://i.imgur.com/2cT5cGw.jpg
So he's a faster, stronger, more agile Wolvy, with a better HF. Not to mention, more sadistic and willing to go all-out.
So not sure why Beast is even talked about here.
you forgot this scan. its prior to the one you posted. and i dont understand why are you picking on that fight so much. beast slammed him head first into a wall and knocked him out.
and sabs got his ass handed to him by wolverine more times than not no matter which upgrade, excluding the last one. but again, sabs seem to lose his last upgrade and became once again the long haired jobber who does nothing but try to cut and slash. the reason why wolverine is more of a challenge to beast than sabretooth is because of skills and speed. sabretooth has strength advantage but to beast it doesnt matter he is still stronger. however speed and skills are a better weapon vs beast. i dont know where you got the idea sabretooth is more agile and faster than wolverine its simply isnt true. aside again, his last upgrade which didnt last long for some reason.
Originally posted by Dareangel
you forgot this scan. its prior to the one you posted. and i dont understand why are you picking on that fight so much. beast slammed him head first into a wall and knocked him out.and sabs got his ass handed to him by wolverine more times than not no matter which upgrade, excluding the last one. but again, sabs seem to lose his last upgrade and became once again the long haired jobber who does nothing but try to cut and slash. the reason why wolverine is more of a challenge to beast than sabretooth is because of skills and speed. sabretooth has strength advantage but to beast it doesnt matter he is still stronger. however speed and skills are a better weapon vs beast. i dont know where you got the idea sabretooth is more agile and faster than wolverine its simply isnt true. aside again, his last upgrade which didnt last long for some reason.
I pick on it, because the Frenzy fight has been debunked, lol.
Also, because I was led to believe Beast when toe to toe against WM, when in fact he mostly just used his superior agility. He didn't slam him into a wall, he diverted him. WM slammed himself into a wall.
You also didn't see my scans. If Wolverine has a speed advantage over Beast....Sabes is even faster than Wolvy. If Wolverine has a skills advantage....Sabes is even deadlier.
It's all there, in a canon comic.
And as you have said, Sabes is stronger than Beast.
As to where I got my idea? Here is my scan again.
http://imgur.com/fkQrUPF
'A stutter step behind him in every respect. Almost as fast, almost as strong, almost as tough, almost as deadly...that's Wolverine.
There you have it. Wolverine is a smidge behind Sabes in every respect.
