What is the appeal of Darth Vader ?

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NewGuy01 perpetual
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Who posed this moronic question? Oh, it was Quan, the biggest moron on this entire site. The guy people laugh at and point when he makes threads or comments on them. The guy we use as a reference for made up terms, such as, don't go all Quanmode on me. Meaning, don't start acting like a complete buffoon. Or my personal favorite Quaning, which is as synonym for ignoring evidence and context and to debate based on which fanboy onezee you are wearing that day.

Oh god, they're all coming back.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Oh god, they're all coming back.
In fairness to Kt he has the attention span of a goldfish and probably doesn't remember how to get back to the expanded universe section of the forum.

NewGuy01 perpetual

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Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by quanchi112
So because a character contributed to the popularity you just like that ? The fast and furious movies are extremely popular but I find them to be trash. The reason you gave is hey he's popular and many agree so I like him too.

I watched the films, watched the clone wars, series and am only an episode behind on rebels which more than likely will continue little to no Vader this year so what am I missing ?

Legends is trash. Glad it doesn't count.

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Well popularity by itself is not enough, I agree. Chewbacca is popular too but he is actually one of my least favorite SW characters. Believe me, I don't wank Vader and I detest a few of his personality flaws, but his story of failure is very compelling. I really like the story of Anakin—a gifted jedi with so much potential ultimately never achieving it due to inner conflicts and mistreatment by the jedi order, only to be manipulated by Sidious and ultimately losing all that he truly cared about. I prefer the canon version of Rebels era being Vader's prime when he's full of hate and RotJ era being a burnt shell of his younger self.

So no, I don't jump on the Vader bandwagon for the sake of it.

Quanchi I have to say you are a large motivator in me wanting to dump my pursuit of legends content for debating and instead stick to the new canon.

Kurk Restricted

This soundtrack is Anakin's and Vader's story.
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Rebel95 Senior Member

Originally posted by Kurk
Well popularity by itself is not enough, I agree. Chewbacca is popular too but he is actually one of my least favorite SW characters. Believe me, I don't wank Vader and I detest a few of his personality flaws, but his story of failure is very compelling. I really like the story of Anakin—a gifted jedi with so much potential ultimately never achieving it due to inner conflicts and mistreatment by the jedi order, only to be manipulated by Sidious and ultimately losing all that he truly cared about. I prefer the canon version of Rebels era being Vader's prime when he's full of hate and RotJ era being a burnt shell of his younger self.

So no, I don't jump on the Vader bandwagon for the sake of it.

Quanchi I have to say you are a large motivator in me wanting to dump my pursuit of legends content for debating and instead stick to the new canon.


I prefer canon just because there's so many inconsistencies and contradictory statements in legends that it makes it so difficult to debate.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Kurk
Well popularity by itself is not enough, I agree. Chewbacca is popular too but he is actually one of my least favorite SW characters. Believe me, I don't wank Vader and I detest a few of his personality flaws, but his story of failure is very compelling. I really like the story of Anakin—a gifted jedi with so much potential ultimately never achieving it due to inner conflicts and mistreatment by the jedi order, only to be manipulated by Sidious and ultimately losing all that he truly cared about. I prefer the canon version of Rebels era being Vader's prime when he's full of hate and RotJ era being a burnt shell of his younger self.

So no, I don't jump on the Vader bandwagon for the sake of it.

Quanchi I have to say you are a large motivator in me wanting to dump my pursuit of legends content for debating and instead stick to the new canon.

Based off what was he mistreated by the Jedi ? Vader was better off in the suit tactically and less whiny but all in all he's still stale. I will give him the benefit of being in one of the best scenes to date in a Star Wars film. When he decides to betray the emperor (he looked weak to me) but that still made for a compelling scene. I just look at him and don't see what the hype is all about.

Zenwolf Senior Member
Originally posted by Rebel95
I prefer canon just because there's so many inconsistencies and contradictory statements in legends that it makes it so difficult to debate.

Canon will probably have that too, just give it 30+ years.

Rebel95 Senior Member

We'll see. It just that there was so much material before that there were just too many inconsistencies. Now that everything is produced by Disney, I think they'll do a better job.

Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off what was he mistreated by the Jedi ? Vader was better off in the suit tactically and less whiny but all in all he's still stale. I will give him the benefit of being in one of the best scenes to date in a Star Wars film. When he decides to betray the emperor (he looked weak to me) but that still made for a compelling scene. I just look at him and don't see what the hype is all about.
lol did you pay attention during RotS? Anakin was allowed on the jedi council but was denied the rank of master—which is basically unheard of. What an insult. Anakin ratted out Sidious but was told to stay back and let the big boys handle it when B-team went to arrest him. Sidious completely used Anakin's mistreatment to leverage him in this scene lol:
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Zenwolf Senior Member

Maybe it's just me, but when I think when people use the term whiny...I dunno, I don't feel as if it's correct.

I don't really see him whiny, when it's justified.

Is it his crying scenes? Because the context around those scenes, seem pretty legitimate.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Kurk
lol did you pay attention during RotS? Anakin was allowed on the jedi council but was denied the rank of master—which is basically unheard of. What an insult. Anakin ratted out Sidious but was told to stay back and let the big boys handle it when B-team went to arrest him. Sidious completely used Anakin's mistreatment to leverage him in this scene lol:
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So what ? You leave out all the rest. Who is he to question the council the girly man ended up betraying the entire order yet you defend this cripple. You disgust me. I'm appalled at your Vader excuses for his whiny, pussy ways.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Maybe it's just me, but when I think when people use the term whiny...I dunno, I don't feel as if it's correct.

I don't really see him whiny, when it's justified.

Is it his crying scenes? Because the context around those scenes, seem pretty legitimate.

You cannot be serious.

Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what ? You leave out all the rest. Who is he to question the council the girly man ended up betraying the entire order yet you defend this cripple. You disgust me. I'm appalled at your Vader excuses for his whiny, pussy ways.

This is your sorry excuse of a rebuttal?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Kurk
This is your sorry excuse of a rebuttal?
Anakin wasn't mistreated you unbelievably stupid little man. As a Jedi he was too prideful and took everything as a slight. He wasn't able to accept loss and really struggled with anyone with an opposing view. We see this throughout his entire progression as a character. Kenobi had to talk the imbecile down just over Padme falling out out the aircraft in AOTC. Anakin's basically letting his emotions cloud his judgment. Thank heavens Kenobi is there to control this retard.

Nothing in the end justifies his jump ship mentality to try to save his slutty wife just because a creepy old man promised him, "hey we will figure it out!" Anakin being the naive retard believed him.

We see Anakin's warped views get so out of control and so far beyond reason the woman he jumps ship for is appalled boys his actions. Yet you make excuses for the man child. Your Vader excuses nauseate me.

Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin wasn't mistreated you unbelievably stupid little man. As a Jedi he was too prideful and took everything as a slight. He wasn't able to accept loss and really struggled with anyone with an opposing view. We see this throughout his entire progression as a character. Kenobi had to talk the imbecile down just over Padme falling out out the aircraft in AOTC. Anakin's basically letting his emotions cloud his judgment. Thank heavens Kenobi is there to control this retard.

Nothing in the end justifies his jump ship mentality to try to save his slutty wife just because a creepy old man promised him, "hey we will figure it out!" Anakin being the naive retard believed him.

We see Anakin's warped views get so out of control and so far beyond reason the woman he jumps ship for is appalled boys his actions. Yet you make excuses for the man child. Your Vader excuses nauseate me.


I don't disagree with most of that. Yes Anakin was extremely arrogant and entitled. That doesn't mean he wasn't mistreated by the council. Anakin's naiveness and arrogance plays a role for the end result, but that's not all to it. He does accept responsibility for his arrogance and entitlement as shown during the last pre-Mustafar scene between himself and Kenobi when he apologizes:
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He may be flawed, but he cites the council as being a source for his behavior and has enough decency to apologize to Obi Wan.

His positive demeanor in TPM despite him being a slave suggests that he was an inherently good character. Anakin faced quite a few challenges in his lifetime; slavery, having his mother die in his arms, having Ahsoka leave him, having his wife cheated on by Clovis, etc. These are not excuses, but rather factors which better explain why Anakin acts the way he does.

You cite moments from AotC when we see Anakin at his worst in terms of attitude and behavior, but when I cited Kylo Ren's similar behavioral flaws you stated that he still relatively young and will mature with time. So you would agree with me in saying that like Kylo Ren should, Anakin matured, regardless of how little it was, from AotC to RotS to Rebels era, correct?

Sidious is a creepy old man? Anakin doesn't believe him clearly here because he says he's going to turn him in. Only after Sidious demonstrates his power does Anakin turn.
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Zenwolf Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
You cannot be serious.

But I am?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Kurk
I don't disagree with most of that. Yes Anakin was extremely arrogant and entitled. That doesn't mean he wasn't mistreated by the council. Anakin's naiveness and arrogance plays a role for the end result, but that's not all to it. He does accept responsibility for his arrogance and entitlement as shown during the last pre-Mustafar scene between himself and Kenobi when he apologizes:
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So you believe his fragile ego because he feels unjustly treated. Suck it up. His arrogance doesn't stop at this point so while he does acknowledge this shortcoming he does nothing to curb it as evidenced later in the film. He loses a lot of limbs to Kenobi so it really cost him.


He may be flawed, but he cites the council as being a source for his behavior and has enough decency to apologize to Obi Wan. [/B]
Being treated unfairly doesn't justify slaughtering Jedi Padawans and attempting to destroy the entire order he served along side for years. Basically your shitty point is he was unjustly treated therefore his actions are justified. You're a damn retard. He had a secret wife you imbecile so he already broke key rules in the Jedi order so quit with your whole position of he was mistreated. Oh poor Anakin.


His positive demeanor in TPM despite him being a slave suggests that he was an inherently good character. Anakin faced quite a few challenges in his lifetime; slavery, having his mother die in his arms, having Ahsoka leave him, having his wife cheated on by Clovis, etc. These are not excuses, but rather factors which better explain why Anakin acts the way he does.
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We later see he was t a good character despite his temperament as a child. We see what he does when he achieves a greater power and the slaughtering of children doesn't make one a good person. His own wife was almost delusional when she heard the actions of Anakin. They were so unbelievably monstrous she couldn't face reality.

At some point any human being needs to accept the responsibility of their actions. Basically you'd argue a rape victim who becomes a serial killer is justified because look how horrible their life was. Accountability you damn idiot.


You cite moments from AotC when we see Anakin at his worst in terms of attitude and behavior, but when I cited Kylo Ren's similar behavioral flaws you stated that he still relatively young and will mature with time. So you would agree with me in saying that like Kylo Ren should, Anakin matured, regardless of how little it was, from AotC to RotS to Rebels era, correct?

Sidious is a creepy old man? Anakin doesn't believe him clearly here because he says he's going to turn him in. Only after Sidious demonstrates his power does Anakin turn.
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Just with his impulsive anger moments which I do like. Anakin was older in rots and showed far more impulsive, retarded behavior who changed his entire idealism in order to save the wife he helped expedite her own death.

Anakin turns because he lets his own fear rule him despite the years of Jedi teaching. He's weak and gets exactly what he deserves. At the end of the day he has to look in the mirror and realize the decisions he made forced him into the suit. He tried shifting the blame onto Kenobi like an emotionally stunted man child.

I really am wonderful in dissecting your idiotic posts.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Zenwolf
But I am?
Do I need to remind you ?

quanchi112 Disney

Darth Vader in all his man child glory.