Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe his fragile ego because he feels unjustly treated. Suck it up. His arrogance doesn't stop at this point so while he does acknowledge this shortcoming he does nothing to curb it as evidenced later in the film. He loses a lot of limbs to Kenobi so it really cost him.
Originally posted by quanchi112 Being treated unfairly doesn't justify slaughtering Jedi Padawans and attempting to destroy the entire order he served along side for years.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 Basically your shitty point is he was unjustly treated therefore his actions are justified.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 You're a damn retard. He had a secret wife you imbecile so he already broke key rules in the Jedi order so quit with your whole position of he was mistreated. Oh poor Anakin.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 We later see he was a good character despite his temperament as a child.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 We see what he does when he achieves a greater power and the slaughtering of children doesn't make one a good person. His own wife was almost delusional when she heard the actions of Anakin. They were so unbelievably monstrous she couldn't face reality.[/b]
Is this jedi Anakin or Vader?[QUOTE=15972280]Originally posted by quanchi112 At some point any human being needs to accept the responsibility of their actions. Basically you'd argue a rape victim who becomes a serial killer is justified because look how horrible their life was. Accountability you damn idiot.[/b]
I've already stated that his hardships are not an excuse for his actions.[QUOTE=15972280]Originally posted by quanchi112 Just with his impulsive anger moments which I do like. Anakin was older in rots and showed far more impulsive, retarded behavior who changed his entire idealism in order to save the wife he helped expedite her own death. [/b]
So you're saying that Anakin as a character was more immature in RotS than AotC? What evidence would you use for that? Did Anakin every apologize for his actions in AotC? Did Anakin charge at Dooku recklessly without waiting for Obi Wan in Rots?[QUOTE=15972280]Originally posted by quanchi112 Anakin turns because he lets his own dear rule him despite the years of Jedi teaching. He's weak and gets exactly what he deserves. At the end of the day he has to look in the mirror and realize the decisions he made forced him into the suit. He tried shifting the blame onto Kenobi like an emotionally stunted man child.[/b]
Yes[QUOTE=15972280]Originally posted by quanchi112 I really am wonderful in dissecting your idiotic posts. [/B]
Originally posted by ZenwolfDid you miss the gif in which he's seething in rage after Kenobi cleaved his limbs because he put himself in that situation with his arrogance. He caused Padme's death!!! He has no accountability and is completely lost by the films end. He murderd Padawans. He was a trainwreck.
Where he was legitimately crying over losing loved ones?
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Originally posted by KurkI cited the end of the rots against Kenobi. Now you're saying well that doesn't count. Yes, it does count and that occurred after his hollow apology in the beginning of the film. You want to ignore clear cut evidence because you feel he was unjustly treated. Windu was correct in saying the boy can't handle the influence of Palpatine. So you're saying he's wrong to be suspicious when he's later proven correct ?? You can't be serious. You're a crybaby supporter. Oh poor Anakin.
He has an ego. He is unjustly treated by Mace and the council at times.
Actually I don't remember jedi Anakin acting in a bitchy, arrogant way past Kenobi's departure scene. Cite a scene post-Kenobi pre-Mustafar if you disagree.correct
No that's not my point. I even said specifically in my post that they're not excuses. They're reasons which make sense for his turning. It highlights him as an easily manipulated person. Vader is the victim at the end—like you say a pathetic failure. The goal was to set the foundation for how Vader would turn into a failure. These were cumulative problems adding up from the beginning long before RotS. It's not like he woke up one day and said "I feel ambitious as ****. I want to turn to the dark-side and become all powerful".
Mistreatment by the jedi and his private personal life is related here how?
Yes, he was a mentor to Ahsoka, he participated in multiple conflicts in TCW, indirectly and directly saving innocent lives. Yes indeed.
No you're not because you never pay attention to my entire post but rather pick and choose which points you can BS on.
So you agree he was weak and his actions weren't justified. So you agree with me he's pathetic.
It shows he wasn't abiding by the Jedi ideals and questioning their decisions so his treatment was justified especially due to his later decisions. They were dead on right to be skeptical of this fragile man child.
So he completely fell off the map and Wondu was correct. He was manipulated by Palpatine because he's emotionally weak and narcissistic.
In the end you're an idiot and agree with me. You're an obvious troll who shouldn't be taken seriously. I was correct in my entire message.
Originally posted by Rebel95The road to hell is paved with good intentions. He lost his entire way and became an outright monster and still hilariously lost his secret whore wife. Awesome. Vader was pitiful.
It doesn't justify his actions, but it's tragic because he did what he did for his wife, out of good intention.
Originally posted by UrsumelesSo a whiny brat who can't accept loss, becomes a cripple, betrays his ideals, causes his own wife to lose the will to live when the sole purpose for his change was saving her. He's a pitiful character and I don't identify with pitiful.
Not sure why somebody loves an epic character like Vader, when he is only 99,999% badass and has the best backstory in SW.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I cited the end of the rots against Kenobi. Now you're saying well that doesn't count. Yes, it does count and that occurred after his hollow apology in the beginning of the film. You want to ignore clear cut evidence because you feel he was unjustly treated.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu was correct in saying the boy can't handle the influence of Palpatine.
Originally posted by quanchi112I don't know what you're referring to here; and not an argument.
So you're saying he's wrong to be suspicious when he's later proven correct ?? You can't be serious. You're a crybaby supporter. Oh poor Anakin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree he was weak and his actions weren't justified. So you agree with me he's pathetic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows he wasn't abiding by the Jedi ideals and questioning their decisions so his treatment was justified especially due to his later decisions. They were dead on right to be skeptical of this fragile man child.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So he completely fell off the map and Wondu was correct. He was manipulated by Palpatine because he's emotionally weak and narcissistic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In the end you're an idiot and agree with me. You're an obvious troll who shouldn't be taken seriously. I was correct in my entire message.
Going back to Quanchi's original post, Vader and Dooku are the only two canon sith who were previously jedi. They actually have a backstory for turning which makes sense and is interesting. This is one of the reason why they are my top two favorite characters. Maul and Sidious, for the most part, are fairly bland and come off as being cookie-cutter villains.
Originally posted by Kurk[/QUOTE] What have I done ? That's prior to him being dubbed a Sith. Whiny bitchville.
I said cite a moment after Anakin apologized to Kenobi when he acted like a "whiny *****" as a jedi. You're really going to use a scene post jedi Anakin's death after he was fully corrupted by the dark-side as an example? There's no shame in saying you're wrong Quanchi—a mature, rational person knows when to admit when they're wrong. You're only ruining your image further and this is why no one on here takes you seriously.When did Mace say this? He did say that he sensed a great deal of confusion in him and that fear clouded his judgement, but not anything about him not being able to handle Palpatine's influence. That wouldn't make sense anyway since the jedi knew perfectly well that Anakin was around Palpatine all the time.
I don't know what you're referring to here; and not an argument.
Yes he was emotionally weak. No his actions weren't justified based off our morals. I never said otherwise. To an extent Anakin was pathetic yes, but I feel like you're throwing around the word too much without really understanding it. Remember that Kenobi said to Anakin's face, "you are strong and wise Anakin".
None of the jedi knew about his relationship with Padme. How would this affect their treatment of him? Kenobi had a similar relationship with Duchess Satine Kryze yet we don't see him as being a "bad" jedi. It is more likely that Anakin's inexperience in contrast to his advanced abilities for his young age was the reason for his mistreatment rather than because he had a relationship with Padme.
Yes he was manipulated for those reason. Still unaware of what Windu scene you're referring to.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvWv3uosN9E
The best part is you want to segment his life and pretend later on in his life doesn't count because he wasn't a Jedi. It's the same ****ing guy you dimwit. This is why no one takes you seriously, Kurk. I even wonder if you've seen the films since your ignorance is so legendary.
So you're also unaware of Windu saying this to someone else about Anakin. So now I have to find this on YouTube because you're a trainwreck unaware of pretty much everything related to this conversation.
It is an argument since Windu was correct since Anakin couldn't handle the influence of Palpatine.
Kenobi was wrong about him. You're selecting words prior to his disastrous life choices to justify your pathetic argument. It's like saying hey let's look at this guys life prior to serial killing. Kenobi later told Anakin, "you're lost." Anakin was a blabbering fool by the films end. Once again hey forget about all the witty choices and murder Anakin committed before Kenobi called him wise before he became utterly retarded.
I am saying we as an audience were privy to this about Anakin. We see how he can't deal with loss which was known to the Jedi and he held onto emotions. We see he violates their code so don't act like he was a Boy Scout. He wasn't. He got what he deserved.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r360LybT4Ec
It's very dangerous putting them together. I don't think the boy can handle it. I don't trust him.
You are one of the most ignorant trolls I have ever had the pleasure of smiting.
Now run along you annoying ignoramus.
Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B] What have I done ? That's prior to him being dubbed a Sith. Whiny bitchville.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvWv3uosN9E
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Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B]
The best part is you want to segment his life and pretend later on in his life doesn't count because he wasn't a Jedi. It's the same ****ing guy you dimwit. This is why no one takes you seriously, Kurk. I even wonder if you've seen the films since your ignorance is so legendary.
YouTube video[QUOTE=15973508]Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B]
So you're also unaware of Windu saying this to someone else about Anakin. So now I have to find this on YouTube because you're a trainwreck unaware of pretty much everything related to this conversation.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B]
It is an argument since Windu was correct since Anakin couldn't handle the influence of Palpatine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi was wrong about him. You're selecting words prior to his disastrous life choices to justify your pathetic argument.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B] It's like saying hey let's look at this guys life prior to serial killing.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B] Kenobi later told Anakin, "you're lost." Anakin was a blabbering fool by the films end.[/b]
Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B] Once again hey forget about all the witty choices and murder Anakin committed before Kenobi called him wise before he became utterly retarded.[/b]Again, Kenobi's comments were directed to jedi Anakin. They apply only to jedi Anakin not Vader.
Originally posted by quanchi112 [/B]
I am saying we as an audience were privy to this about Anakin. We see how he can't deal with loss which was known to the Jedi and he held onto emotions. We see he violates their code so don't act like he was a Boy Scout. He wasn't. He got what he deserved. [/B]
Originally posted by KurkYes, he is whining about his own actions in utter despair. Act like a man, Anakin. an impulsive, irrational decision which changed his life then he starts whining about. I just gave you another scene as a Jedi in which he whines about his own decisions.
So questioning his irrational action of cutting off Mace's hand is bitchy?
It shows he has somewhat of an ability to think if anything.
He was saying it to Kenobi and Yoda. I already posted the exact quote with the YouTube link because you're so hideously ignorant on a film you've claimed to be the expert on.
Who was he saying it to? You don't have to look it up on youtube, link me to the script on the internet. You're subpar ability to cite scenes and resources is the source for your frustration.Unless you can find those words coming out of his mouth, not it's not. That's called speculation. That's an argument. Insulting me is not.
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Yes Kenobi was obviously directing those words to a jedi Anakin, not Vader. The dark side consumes you. Him complementing Anakin lets us know that jedi Anakin was a decent human being.
Right below your post you trainwreck. I'll copy and paste it again because you're an idiot.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r360LybT4Ec
It's very dangerous putting them together. I don't think the boy can handle it. I don't trust him.
It is still the same person and you believing Vader doesn't feel an inner conflict is proven wrong in Rotj. It was always the same man. The means do not justify the end. Nothing justified his own actions. His own feelings and his immaturity shown through the meetings. He was an immature dimwit pouting about when he didn't get his way. You applaud his behavior while having the nerve to attack Kylo Ren for raging out which in no way impeded him from achieving his goals.Yes it is like that exactly. You're trying to find motives as to why. You want to see why a person did what they did.
Vader consumed Anakin. They share the same body but are two completely different personalities.[/B]
The Jedi Anakin killed Dooku. The Jedi Anakin betrayed Windu. Even by your own shitty standards he was an utter trainwreck. Just because Kenobi was wrong about him and he fell from grace doesn't excuse Anakin's horrible choices.Again, Kenobi's comments were directed to jedi Anakin. They apply only to jedi Anakin not Vader.
Yes, his inability to control his emotions got him in the mess he got in. I'm not arguing against that. [/B]
You've been defeated on every front. I've cited multiple examples through clips, logic, and reason while you've been clueless, tried to change the goalposts and done a really poor job of defending your weak position.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he is whining about his own actions in utter despair. Act like a man, Anakin. an impulsive, irrational decision which changed his life then he starts whining about. I just gave you another scene as a Jedi in which he whines about his own decisions.He was saying it to Kenobi and Yoda. I already posted the exact quote with the YouTube link because you're so hideously ignorant on a film you've claimed to be the expert on.
Yes Kenobi was obviously directing those words to a jedi Anakin, not Vader. The dark side consumes you. Him complementing Anakin lets us know that jedi Anakin was a decent human being.
Right below your post you trainwreck. I'll copy and paste it again because you're an idiot.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r360LybT4Ec
[B]It's very dangerous putting them together. I don't think the boy can handle it. I don't trust him.
It is still the same person and you believing Vader doesn't feel an inner conflict is proven wrong in Rotj. It was always the same man. The means do not justify the end. Nothing justified his own actions. His own feelings and his immaturity shown through the meetings. He was an immature dimwit pouting about when he didn't get his way. You applaud his behavior while having the nerve to attack Kylo Ren for raging out which in no way impeded him from achieving his goals.
The Jedi Anakin killed Dooku. The Jedi Anakin betrayed Windu. Even by your own shitty standards he was an utter trainwreck. Just because Kenobi was wrong about him and he fell from grace doesn't excuse Anakin's horrible choices.
You've been defeated on every front. I've cited multiple examples through clips, logic, and reason while you've been clueless, tried to change the goalposts and done a really poor job of defending your weak position. [/B]
I absolutely did not say that I don't believe Vader was conflicted in RotJ. You were arguing that. I was pushing the point that he was conflicted. Go back and look at that thread since you're forgetful.
I do not applaud Anakin's behavior nor did I say it is an excuse for his behavior. All I've said is that Anakin's past gives helpful insight into understanding why he does act how he does. Being a slave, losing your only parent in your hands, is not something most go through. It is simple to see why he was so unbalanced. Anakin is a flawed jedi. Just look at TCW when he regularly abuses his force powers on people and resorts to violence over matters. This being said, it's not like he was evil as shown through his plentiful altruistic acts.
Originally posted by KurkAnakin's actions throughout the film support this not just the Windu scene.
You've cited Mace giving his opinion. I concede to the point that Mace believed that Anakin was vulnerable to Palpatine.I absolutely did not say that I don't believe Vader was conflicted in RotJ. You were arguing that. I was pushing the point that he was conflicted. Go back and look at that thread since you're forgetful.
I do not applaud Anakin's behavior nor did I say it is an excuse for his behavior. All I've said is that Anakin's past gives helpful insight into understanding why he does act how he does. Being a slave, losing your only parent in your hands, is not something most go through. It is simple to see why he was so unbalanced. Anakin is a flawed jedi. Just look at TCW when he regularly abuses his force powers on people and resorts to violence over matters. This being said, it's not like he was evil as shown through his plentiful altruistic acts.
So if you agree he's conflicted then you concede he's still account alr no matter what personality is manifesting. The good guy turned and the bad guy turned back at the end. I never contested him being conflicted. That's what makes him weak.
In the end despite the path he chose he was weak. Not everyone would react in the same manner as he did. He deserved the shit he got because he made poor choices.