Yoda vs. Valkorion (Force battle)

Started by Prof. T.C McAbe14 pages

Yoda, ever single time. The only one who can challange him is Palpatine, where I would argue Yoda has slightly the upper hand.

You know I'm dissapointed dooku pressing yoda with his lightning was retconned, dooku>valk would have been nice to argue

That would have fell apart pretty quickly.

nah.
"By virtue of being an inferior to plagueis, valk is, at best, significantly below yoda. Yoda struggling to parry dooku's lightning indicates that dooku has near parity with yoda. At worst, dooku is comparable force wise to valk which would allow his use of the saber to give him the win".
Off course loe had to retcon it and then sidious had to go and choke dooku from across the galaxy.

There's many quotes stating Yoda easily handled Dooku's lightning, for one.

And for two, Valkorion isn't restricted by Plagueis' "most powerful Sith" quote.

Valkorion isn't a Sith. He was a Sith as Tenebrae and Vitiate, but no longer. KOTFE made that explicit.

He's a "Sith entity" because he became incorporeal as a Sith and via Sith means, but that doesn't still make him a Sith.

Being a Sith isn't a sign-up for life type of deal. Valkorion's as Sith as SoR Revan is Sith: not a Sith.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There's many quotes stating Yoda easily handled Dooku's lightning, for one.

And for two, Valkorion isn't restricted by Plagueis' "most powerful Sith" quote.

Valkorion isn't a Sith. He was a Sith as Tenebrae and Vitiate, but no longer. KOTFE made that explicit.

He's a "Sith entity" because he became incorporeal as a Sith and via Sith means, but that doesn't still make him a Sith.

Being a Sith isn't a sign-up for life type of deal. Valkorion's as Sith as SoR Revan is Sith: not a Sith.


1. I'm well aware it was retconned, hence why I was expressing regret, there's also sidious choking dooku from across the galaxy which blows a hole in the near parity argument

2. Based on what did valk stop being a sith as a sith entity?

3.Except that sor revan was a jedi when his spirit split and is never stated to be a sith.

The fact Valkorion explicitly stated he wasn't a Sith anymore comes to mind.

He wasn't much of a Jedi. Some sources call him that, but other say he's neither Jedi nor Sith at that point. One source indirectly refers to Revan as a Sith in SWTOR, too.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact Valkorion explicitly stated he wasn't a Sith anymore comes to mind.

He wasn't much of a Jedi. Some sources call him that, but other say he's neither Jedi nor Sith at that point. One source indirectly refers to Revan as a Sith in SWTOR, too.


A. The fact that valk explicitly lied multiple times comes to mind and was trying to convince the outlander to join him comes to mind. Him being a sith entity after being killed, him seeking immortality(the ultimate goal of the sith), him still making extensive use of the darkside all tell me he was lying
B. Post this indirect reference please? If it is a clear implication that sor revan is a sith, then he's a sith, which would make sense given the lightsaide part of him left him.

Valkorion is no Sith, and he wins this one tbh. You need to be at least ROTJ Sidious level to take Valky down in a pure force fight.

Valkorion will soundly defeat Yoda.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
1. I'm well aware it was retconned, hence why I was expressing regret, there's also sidious choking dooku from across the galaxy which blows a hole in the near parity argument

2. Based on what did valk stop being a sith as a sith entity?

3.Except that sor revan was a jedi when his spirit split and is never stated to be a sith.


Valkorion cannot be classified as a Sith:

Over the millennia, Valkorion wore many faces and names: Lord Vitiate; Emperor of the Sith; Eternal Emperor of Zakuul. For centuries upon centuries, he shaped and manipulated galactic events, bending the arc of history to his will during his obsessive quest for immortality. A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.

His entire story gives the impression that Sith Emperor was just a mask and a means to an end. When this cover blew, Sith faction immediately recognized Valkorion as the enemy and the latter not just devastated Ziost in response but also orchestrated the Eternal War that brought both the Republic and Empire to their knees.

Valkorion is a master of the Dark Side of the Force but independent.

Plagueis > Valkorion regardless of any quote.

Isn't canonical. 😬

In a feats comparison Valkorion stomps Plagueis.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion cannot be classified as a Sith:

Over the millennia, Valkorion wore many faces and names: Lord Vitiate; Emperor of the Sith; Eternal Emperor of Zakuul. For centuries upon centuries, he shaped and manipulated galactic events, bending the arc of history to his will during his obsessive quest for immortality. A being of unfathomable power and insatiable appetite, he transcended death multiple times, shedding his physical shells as they were discovered, defeated, and destroyed... only to return in another form.

His entire story gives the impression that Sith Emperor was just a mask and a means to an end. When this cover blew, Sith faction immediately recognized Valkorion as the enemy and the latter not just devastated Ziost in response but also orchestrated the Eternal War that brought both the Republic and Empire to their knees.

Valkorion is a master of the Dark Side of the Force but independent.

Yeh that's irrefutable.

The codex says he's a Sith entity...

I can't facepalm hard enough.

His species was Sith.

Was. He's no longer a Sith-pureblood while he's Valkorion.

It says Valkorion "is" a Sith. Not "was".

He was a Sith pureblood. He is a Sith entity. Palpy's quotes apply. 👆

Lmfao no they don't, he clearly isn't a Sith Lord nor do in-universe historical claims overcome the mountain of evidence stating precisely the opposite.

He is an ancient Sith Entity because that's his original form prior to all the body swapping.

Why is this hard to comprehend.

His original body is irrelevant to what he "is", lol.