Originally posted by Deronn_soloI agree he's not part of the Sith Order, but he is still of the Sith as many have tried to otherwise claim.
lal, what I'm saying is - he's a "Sith entity" because a Sith is what he was when be became the entity - but as a whole, he isn't a part of the Sith Order. The same way we can poltergeist a "human spirit" even though they aren't anything close to being a human.We can interpret it different ways, but that's just how I see it.
Any I'm guessing those LS feats just don't exist. I haven't played all the content so I'm not sure, but it would appear his dark mastery of the Force is just that, cool.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Fortunately not dense enough to neglect the fact that if his spirit is still a Sith entity, then he falls within the jurisdiction of Palpatine's accolades. It's not necessarily the body he possesses that counts overall, it's the entity as a whole.
He's an ancient Sith (Pureblood) Entity. All of Palp's accolades refer to members of the Sith Order. A completely different thing.
Originally posted by MythLord
Why are we even arguing whether Valkorion is Sith or not? He's still a Dark Sider, or at least uses Dark Side powers and thus Palpatine still has accolades that place him above Valky.
All of which refers to practitioners/users of the dark side, Valkorion however is an Entity.
that's also a big reason I give it to Valkorion - Yoda offensive capabilities are limited in comparison with Valkorion. Valkorion has a wider array Force powers to pull from - lightning, drain, TK, teleportation, doppleganger creation, and the ability to create raw destructive waves of dark side energy.
Logically, Yoda should have a wide range of abilities to pull from to be we haven't actually seen him demonstrate/manifest those abilities, in combat, or otherwise.
Originally posted by AncientPower
All of which refers to practitioners/users of the dark side, Valkorion however is an Entity.
Definition of practitioner:
a person actively engaged in an art, discipline, or profession, especially medicine.
Valkorion still actively engages in the art of the Dark Side, hence Sidious' accolade applies even if he's an "entity". 👆
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AP's mental gymnastics are getting her nowhere.
FYI:
Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. Lord Vitiate declares himself Emperor of the Sith. Under his sovereign rule, the Empire retreats into deep space to rebuild its strength and prepare for vengeance.
Originally posted by MythLord
Definition of practitioner:
a person actively engaged in an art, discipline, or profession, especially medicine.Valkorion still actively engages in the art of the Dark Side, hence Sidious' accolade applies even if he's an "entity". 👆
He's a 'living embodiment', 'the dark side incarnate', he's literally stated to have evolved beyond mere practice. His displays of the dark side are stated to be the dark side taken to its most extreme. In other words you literally can't surpass that degree of dark side mastery and power, he's reached the pinnacle.
Better yet Valkorion has absorbed the largest dark side nexus ever, the effects of which wiped out all life, color and the Force itself across Nathema, even causing the sun to be effected. The greatest effects any dark side nexus has caused in history.
When Lord Scourge brushes Vitiate's mind for a mere moment he is stated to feel the 'void of annihilation'. Revan himself also notes that the dark side radiated from Vitiate in palpable waves, barely contained by his shell. Not take into account Ziost and you can begin to form a picture.
Sidious is also stated to be a dark side nexus but the effects he unleashed weren't nearly to the same degree at all.
Valkorion also uses Force techniques that are not dark side techniques. The restoration of the Force to Nathema comes to mind as absolutely not dark side oriented.
"He's a 'living embodiment', 'the dark side incarnate', he's literally stated to have evolved beyond mere practice. His displays of the dark side are stated to be the dark side taken to its most extreme. In other words you literally can't surpass that degree of dark side mastery and power, he's reached the pinnacle."
What quotes are those? I've never seen them before.
Oh my god AP, you've literally gone off into the deep end. 😐
Try and comprehend the concept of hyperbole. Vitiate is not literally the dark side incarnate, nor is he the pinnacle of anything, he's not even as powerful as the Son kek. He's a practitioner of the dark side like any other, and the SWTORE literally describes him as such. Shame.
P.S. Last time I checked, Shitiate never enveloped the galaxy in the dark side with his sheer presence, nor became a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine. 🙁