Originally posted by AncientPower
Lmfao no they don't, he clearly isn't a Sith Lord nor do in-universe historical claims overcome the mountain of evidence stating precisely the opposite.He is an ancient Sith Entity because that's his original form prior to all the body swapping.
Why is this hard to comprehend.
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The codex itself mentioned how Valkorion "shed the burden of archaic Sith teachings" - so yeah, doesn't sound like a Sith Lord to me.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Nihilus shed the burden of modern Sith teachings, and yet he was still a Sith Lord.
True, but Valkorion took it a step further. He started his own faction of Force sensitives that were neither light or dark side, claimed many times that he wasn't Sith anymore, used both light and dark side powers, and even The Outlander singed he "changed" and wasn't the same anymore.
Literally, the only thing that still says he's a Sith is a codex, that can be interpeted as the fact he is a Sith entity since he became an entity as a Sith, through Sith means, and his a pure blooded Sith.
Nihilus, Bane, even Palpatine, etc. can all be interpreted as having shed the burden of older Sith teachings, with Nihilus and Palpatine also basically deserting the Sith Order and only caring about themselves. Certainly Vitiate went down in history as a Sith, at least to Plagueis and Palpatine in Darth Plagueis, Book of Sith etc. And Valkorion was merely a persona of Vitiate.
What light side powers does Valkorion use? Besides, this is TOR. Force alignment doesn't necessarily affect whether or not you're a Sith, though if your argument really hinges on this then Valkorion clearly appears to be a dark sider anyway.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
True, but Valkorion took it a step further. He started his own faction of Force sensitives that were neither light or dark side, claimed many times that he wasn't Sith anymore, used both light and dark side powers, and even The Outlander singed he "changed" and wasn't the same anymore.
The KOTET website calls Valky's mastery of the Force "dark."
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Literally, the only thing that still says he's a Sith is a codex, that can be interpeted as the fact he is a Sith entity since he became an entity as a Sith, through Sith means, and his a pure blooded Sith.
You'd have to get pretty... creative... with the English language to make that case.
Your continued defense of this epic loser continues to perplex me. I remember the days when some of the fringe elements of #teamswtor prophesied that KOTET would at last propel Valky into the realm of absolute victory.
Then people pretty much stopped talking about him a week after it released.
Yeah, it all seems rather smoke and mirrors to me. Valkorion's powers being described as "dark mastery" should put a lid on that debate.
And whether or not Valkorion asserts himself as a Sith, the fact remains that the record has him down as one, which is all the matters in regards to accolades made in those same contexts.
yeah, because he became an entity as a Sith Lord, through enacting a Sith ritual.
Doesn't make him as Sith Lord when donning the the Valkorion moniker, especially since he rejected Sith dogma, and started his very own branch of Force sensitive separate from the Sith.
Even the Outlander noticed a difference in Valkorion.
^ This guy never adhered to Sith teachings, yet he was still Sith.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It is. 🙂Also, still gathering your sources on Valkorion's LS feats?
lal, what I'm saying is - he's a "Sith entity" because a Sith is what he was when be became the entity - but as a whole, he isn't a part of the Sith Order. The same way we can poltergeist a "human spirit" even though they aren't anything close to being a human.
We can interpret it different ways, but that's just how I see it.
