Darth Nihilus vs DE Palpatine [TK only]

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, it was said that he could feed on it for temporary sustenance. Either way, the trap itself didn't actually make Nihilus weaker. It just wasn't the chance for the satiation that he wanted.

Him being weaker when he uses Drain without getting any sort of reward doesn't mean that he's constantly getting weaker.

What are you talking about?

Nihilus' body had disintegrated already, yet it was still "devouring" him. At the time of the game, he's pretty much just will in an armor. It's obvious what the nature of this devouring is. It's addicting, which would mean that it was slowly forcing him to use it more and more. That seems like a willpower thing to me.

Anyway its pretty clear what's going on, like Kreia says it devours him as it devours others i.e. it drains them of the Force, not of their mental faculties. And though Nihilus may no longer have physical form, he remains a Force entity.

Whatever you want to use to rationalize it, lol. My point is that there's nothing outright contradicting Kreia's point about Nihilus getting stronger. You're just bringing in random circumstantial stuff and speculation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It said it caused him to suffer, and then another denial of satiation makes him suffer more, and become weaker as consequence.

It only reinforces the fact that Nihilus needed sustenance.

That doesn't contradict the point about Nihilus growing more powerful at all.

The fact that the wound was consuming his life force. 😕

Even if that were so, that doesn't mean he got weaker.

Addictions don't consume your body, more lols.

We're talking about the dark side here. Addictions to using the dark side alone disfigure your body.

Anyway its pretty clear what's going on, like Kreia says it devours him as it devours others i.e. it drains them of the Force, not of their mental faculties. And though Nihilus may no longer have physical form, he remains a Force entity.

I'm just dealing with the facts. 🙂

Which doesn't mean he got weaker, since, again, Kreia states that he's getting more powerful and may eventually surpass the ability of the Exile to defeat at all. Likely, Nihilus is just delaying oblivion with his Drain, but that doesn't mean he still doesn't grow more powerful in a general sense, since that does nothing to stop his condition anyway.

Sidious curbs him with an 19,000 meter ship 🙂 🙂 🙂

Originally posted by SunRazer
That doesn't contradict the point about Nihilus growing more powerful at all.

Even if that were so, that doesn't mean he got weaker.

We're talking about the dark side here. Addictions to using the dark side alone disfigure your body.

And when you compare this with say, the case of Mother Talzin, what's happening is obvious.

Which doesn't mean he got weaker, since, again, Kreia states that he's getting more powerful and may eventually surpass the ability of the Exile to defeat at all. Likely, Nihilus is just delaying oblivion with his Drain, but that doesn't mean he still doesn't grow more powerful in a general sense, since that does nothing to stop his condition anyway.

And gaining power through drain is how he sustains his life energies and staves off his hunger.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not necessarily in a holistic sense but I think it makes clear his wound is a parasitic entity.

Parasitic to his physical and mental self. Not to his connection to the Force.

The dark side can effect the body physically and spiritually yes, clearly not limited to just messing with your head, and an affliction that causes your body to disintegrate is clearly macerating in the extreme.

And when you compare this with say, the case of Mother Talzin, what's happening is obvious.

Talzin and Nihilus' cases have nearly nothing in common and revolve around two entirely different concepts. Heck, they exist in entirely separate continuities.

Kreia's remark does lend credence to that yeah, but one might also argue that the devouring aspect of the wound stunted his growth.

And gaining power through drain is how he sustains his life energies and staves off his hunger.

Stunting his growth is not the same as making him get weaker or stay constant.

I get the impression that Darth Nihilus was not stable; his raw power fluctuated according to the circumstances. His base strength is unclear because he was constantly siphoning energy of the crew of Ravager and needed to consume living beings on a massive scale from time to time on top of that otherwise he would starve.

Therefore, Darth Nihilus might be an extremely capable foe when he is well-fed but not so much when he is starving.

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Vitiate is essentially a stable version of Darth Nihilus with added benefits of immortality, superior command of the Force and growth in power with passage of time.