Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't have to be violent, just something that Surfer, in character, won't think of.CAN he? Sure. WILL he? Ah.
There's plenty of incident where's not using violence.
I don't believe that sort of tactic is particularly effective outside cases where his opponents rely on specific energies, like gamma or solar energy, but there are plenty of incidents where he has.
Look at the link tktina posted.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but at the same time... when has Flash ever used more than 1 IMP in a fight? I mean I know that he once stated that he could hit someone a million times and then followed up with an IMP, but has he ever actually used multiple IMP's in a fight? Does that mean that characters facing the Flash on the forum only have to worry about a single IMP no matter how long the fight drags on? His threat against Gladiator is more than enough to demonstrate that using a specific frequency of radiation is more than enough that it's within his character to do so even though he wasn't forced to actually follow through with the threat. Especially since he's actually manipulated specific frequencies of radiation multiple times against guys like the Hulk.
What Galan said.
Moreover, again, at least he has done HALF of his threat. All Surfer did was make a threat.
In character, the Flash would do an IMP. IF the villain is still standing, then he can follow up with another, single IMP. And another. And another.
All single, discrete punches.
Problem is, he is also travelling at the speed of light. So kinda moot, lol. 1 punch, 2, 500 - they all arrive at pretty much the same instant.
I mean, we always have threats being made in comics. Villain XYZ has 'the ultimate weapon' to 'finally put you down for good'. Tony Stark has built the one armour 'that will put you away for good this time'.
The proof is in the pudding. Until Surfer actually does so (in his hundred or so fights), then all it is, is a threat. That we do not know if he would actually go through with.
Originally posted by krisblaze
There's plenty of incident where's not using violence.I don't believe that sort of tactic is particularly effective outside cases where his opponents rely on specific energies, like gamma or solar energy, but there are plenty of incidents where he has.
Look at the link tktina posted.
Again - he has obviously never thought of it (or at least, the writers haven't, lol). So in character, 'removing all of my opponents' oxygen' isn't going to be the thing that pops into his mind. 'Energy blasts, punching and flying around a lot', is.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't have to be violent, just something that Surfer, in character, won't think of.CAN he? Sure. WILL he? Ah.
But yet you used Midnighter opening doors majority of the time in battles and Flash imping throughout his battles. Can they, sure, will they, 90 to 95% of the time, they do not use this tactic.
Originally posted by carver9
But yet you used Midnighter opening doors majority of the time in battles and Flash imping throughout his battles. Can they, sure, will they, 90 to 95% of the time, they do not use this tactic.
Midnighter is a bastard, who cheats, and does anything he can in order to get the win he wants. His entire shtick is working backwards in order to get his win:
http://i.imgur.com/DsqL5PT.jpg
Flash - well, I have already addressed in my above post (in addition to Galan's).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again - he has obviously never thought of it (or at least, the writers haven't, lol). So in character, 'removing all of my opponents' oxygen' isn't going to be the thing that pops into his mind. 'Energy blasts, punching and flying around a lot', is.
Draining their energy or increasing the gravity is though.
So he certainly has affected the bodies of his opponents and the areas around them.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What Galan said.Moreover, again, at least he has done HALF of his threat. All Surfer did was make a threat.
In character, the Flash would do an IMP. IF the villain is still standing, then he can follow up with another, single IMP. And another. And another.
All single, discrete punches.
Problem is, he is also travelling at the speed of light. So kinda moot, lol. 1 punch, 2, 500 - they all arrive at pretty much the same instant.
I mean, we always have threats being made in comics. Villain XYZ has 'the ultimate weapon' to 'finally put you down for good'. Tony Stark has built the one armour 'that will put you away for good this time'.
The proof is in the pudding. Until Surfer actually does so (in his hundred or so fights), then all it is, is a threat. That we do not know if he would actually go through with.
Again - he has obviously never thought of it (or at least, the writers haven't, lol). So in character, 'removing all of my opponents' oxygen' isn't going to be the thing that pops into his mind. 'Energy blasts, punching and flying around a lot', is.
What Galan said also applies to Surfer though... Has Surfer ever NEEDED to bring down Glads via stromiom(or however it's spelled) radiation?
And again, Surfer's used specific frequencies of radiation against Hulk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What Galan said.Moreover, again, at least he has done HALF of his threat. All Surfer did was make a threat.
In character, the Flash would do an IMP. IF the villain is still standing, then he can follow up with another, single IMP. And another. And another.
All single, discrete punches.
What he has done is still a far cry from "spamming" Imps and a far cry from his normal battle tactics.
There is a scan I was looking for in which the Surfer changed the composition of a gas to a different form, but I havent come across it yet. I just went through his entire first run but its not in that one. There's just too much material to wade through and I dont have the time.
No the Surfer didnt use that feat to suffocate people, but theres no reason to believe he couldnt. Its no big deal. Like Abhi said, if Surfer sat there and threw punches, sure he would lose, but if he used the powers at his disposal (and why wouldnt he in a forum battle), he would win. I can go along with that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Midnighter is a bastard, who cheats, and does anything he can in order to get the win he wants. His entire shtick is working backwards in order to get his win:http://i.imgur.com/DsqL5PT.jpg
Flash - well, I have already addressed in my above post (in addition to Galan's).
He still doesn't use door as frequently as you use it in a vs thread. Then that still doesn't include the fact that you throw out speed steal and imp in all of Flash threads.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but logic and common sense have to be factored in when you're talking about an open ended powerset. We don't doubt that Thanos w/IG could create a car just because he never did it after all. Or that Hal Jorden could create a construct to look like the Starship Enterprise just because he's never done it. We know Surfer can create/manipulate radiation and solar energy so saying that he could utilize either isn't really a stretch. It makes no more sense to penalize character's who's powerset is to do virtually anything within a certain scope strictly to the specific things they've used it for on panel than it does to say that someone who's lifted a corvet on panel with ease can't lift a firebird because he's never preformed that specific feat.
Fair to say he remove everyone from existence right out of the bat with a musical note, eh?
Surfer has never done half the things Surfer fans bring up. Hence, fanfic Surfer.
Originally posted by darthgoober
What Galan said also applies to Surfer though... Has Surfer ever NEEDED to bring down Glads via stromiom(or however it's spelled) radiation?And again, Surfer's used specific frequencies of radiation against Hulk.
Also when Surfer went against Dr Spectrum who has a weakness to ultraviolet radiation. Guess what he did.
Not weakness exploitation.
When did Surfer used different radiation on Hulk? In fact when has he ever used different radiation on someone?
Originally posted by tkitna
There is a scan I was looking for in which the Surfer changed the composition of a gas to a different form, but I havent come across it yet. I just went through his entire first run but its not in that one. There's just too much material to wade through and I dont have the time.No the Surfer didnt use that feat to suffocate people, but theres no reason to believe he couldnt. Its no big deal. Like Abhi said, if Surfer sat there and threw punches, sure he would lose, but if he used the powers at his disposal (and why wouldnt he in a forum battle), he would win. I can go along with that.
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Originally posted by carver9
He still doesn't use door as frequently as you use it in a vs thread. Then that still doesn't include the fact that you throw out speed steal and imp in all of Flash threads.
I name it as a tactic, if there is a 100% chance he loses a straight physical fight.
Because of the nature of his powers. If there's no way he wins fisticuffs, then he uses doors. If every single scenario he runs leads to a loss, then...guess what, its a pretty stupid battle computer if he runs them all, and still decides to go h2h.
And see back to my IMP punch. Flash processes scenarios at light speed. How stupid is Barry/Wally to not do something in a forum fight if it works?
IF IT WORKS. That's the key phrase. At least they have done it, even if once, and it worked. How many times has Surfer analysed an opponent for weaknesses and acted on it? He's been around since the 60s....that's nearly 60 YEARS of continuous canon to draw on. Midnighter has been around since the 2000s or so...at least he's done it.
@jay: A far cry....because no one has stood up to a single IMP. Hell, you could argue he spammed IMPs against the Anti Monitor, if you want. He breaks it out against the big guns.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I name it as a tactic, if there is a 100% chance he loses a straight physical fight.Because of the nature of his powers. If there's no way he wins fisticuffs, then he uses doors. If every single scenario he runs leads to a loss, then...guess what, its a pretty stupid battle computer if he runs them all, and still decides to go h2h.
And see back to my IMP punch. Flash processes scenarios at light speed. How stupid is Barry/Wally to not do something in a forum fight if it works?
IF IT WORKS. That's the key phrase. At least they have done it, even if once, and it worked. How many times has Surfer analysed an opponent for weaknesses and acted on it? He's been around since the 60s....that's nearly 60 YEARS of continuous canon to draw on. Midnighter has been around since the 2000s or so...at least he's done it.
@jay: A far cry....because no one has stood up to a single IMP. Hell, you could argue he spammed IMPs against the Anti Monitor, if you want. He breaks it out against the big guns.
But Surfer can do everything that is mentioned here. If it works, how stupid would he be not to use it? It's not like people are making up abilities for him. He can do everything that is mentioned here. Surfer can process things faster than light - how stupid is Surfer to not do something if it works?
Except nobody knows if it works.
Because Surfer has never done it.
Flash has done IMps. Has spammed them. (against AM). Mids has BFRd people into space.
So we know it works.
If you have a scan, from Surfers ENTIRE 60year history, of him scanning someone for their weakness, and then actually doing it....feel free.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85well he did know to suck all the gamma out of hulk to turn him into banner, so it not out of his poweraet or tactic s to do so, how over if cis is on ss usually doesn't do so but Billy doesn't have any weaknesses that ss can exploit unless ss can now cast magical lighting bolts lol so.......
Except nobody knows if it works.Because Surfer has never done it.
Flash has done IMps. Has spammed them. (against AM). Mids has BFRd people into space.
So we know it works.
If you have a scan, from Surfers ENTIRE 60year history, of him scanning someone for their weakness, and then actually doing it....feel free.
