Odin vs Thanos/Darkseid

Originally posted by abhilegend
Time Trapper in Action Comics 865 said that he has made all the fluctuations in timeline and multiple attempts to erase Superman from timeline hence the wildly varying depictions of Legion.

That was before it was even revealed that Barry and Iris were in the same 30th century as LOSH.

Continuity wasn't as coherent as today in those days anyway.

Could you give an example of post crisis Legion being an alternate reality Legion? Legion reality was changed when Trapper buried a crystal far in past detailing how Superman was a human as shown in Action Comics 865.

How is that possible if it's just an alternate reality?

What are you talking about? The revelation that Iris was from the 30th century came in Flash #203, 1971. The scan i posted is from 1978.

Are you following my argument or not? I myself have posted scans of Legion's timeline being affected by altering mainstream Earth. Which is why im saying it's inconsistent.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're funny abhi lol

"Funny".

He's psychotic. Imagine all those years without smokes, booze, drugs or a woman.

We're lucky he hasn't found out yet how to punch through the 4th wall. He's f*cking dangerous. Bloodthirsty Indian.

And sexy.

Originally posted by operator616
What are you talking about? The revelation that Iris was from the 30th century came in Flash #203, 1971. The scan i posted is from 1978.

Are you following my argument or not? I myself have posted scans of Legion's timeline being affected by altering mainstream Earth. Which is why im saying it's inconsistent.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Funny".

He's psychotic. Imagine all those years without smokes, booze, drugs or a woman.

We're lucky he hasn't found out yet how to punch through the 4th wall. He's f*cking dangerous. Bloodthirsty Indian.

And sexy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you know what you're trying to argue here?

I know fully well. You, it seems, do not. My argument is that Legion's timeline has been shown to be alternate/possible timeline while at the same time directly linked to the mainstream universe, so you providing examples of it being linked to mainstream doesn't contradict anything i said, it just goes to further prove the contradictions which i talked about (and i emphasized that there are several of them).

Originally posted by operator616
I know fully well. You, it seems, do not. My argument is that Legion's timeline has been shown to be alternate/possible timeline while at the same time directly linked to the mainstream universe, so you providing examples of it being linked to mainstream doesn't contradict anything i said, it just goes to further prove the contradictions which i talked about (and i emphasized that there are several of them).

Because this is the argument here. It being a different timeline itself doesn't negates its canonicity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Could you show us where Legion is shown to be an alternate reality from main timeline?

Because this is the argument here. It being a different timeline itself doesn't negates its canonicity.

You lost me. Just to clarify: You're asking me to show an instance where the Legion is shown to be an alternate reality as opposed to merely a possible future of the mainstream universe, correct?

If so, it was shown in Infinite Crisis and then in Lo3W it was clarified further and outright stated iirc. However, in the main series of Legion comics it was never shown or stated but was rather treated as being linked to mainstream universe not just in terms of time travel, because that was explained, but in the sense that affecting the mainstream universe would affect the legion's timeline, hence the contradictions which i mentioned.

Originally posted by operator616
You lost me. Just to clarify: You're asking me to show an instance where the Legion is shown to be an alternate reality as opposed to merely a possible future of the mainstream universe, correct?

If so, it was shown in Infinite Crisis and then in Lo3W it was clarified further and outright stated iirc (however, in the main series of Legion comics it was never shown or stated, hence the contradictions which i mentioned).

Main Earth Legion residing in an alternate reality.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not talking about Earth 247 or prime universe Legion.

Main Earth Legion residing in an alternate reality.

in terms of post-crisis i was thinking of Earth 247 and earth prime legion when it comes to inconsistency.

For example, the latest Legion were shown to be from earth-prime, an alternate universe, and yet it was explored previously in Supergirl & LOSH how supergirl (from mainstream earth) could affect the LOSH timeline. Yes, it was explained that travel between them was possible, that's not the problem, the problem is that mainstream earth affecting an alternate reality. The exact same thing would apply to the post-ZH Legion (there are examples). that's the inconsistencies i was talking about.

Originally posted by operator616
in terms of post-crisis i was thinking of Earth 247 and earth prime legion when it comes to inconsistency.

For example, the latest Legion were shown to be from earth-prime, an alternate universe, and yet it was explored previously in Supergirl & LOSH how supergirl (from mainstream earth) could affect the LOSH timeline. Yes, it was explained that travel between them was possible, that's not the problem, the problem is that mainstream earth affecting an alternate reality. The exact same thing would apply to the post-ZH Legion (there are examples). that's the inconsistencies i was talking about.

As of Lightning saga, real Legion never returned to main reality after COIE and all of their showings are of an alternate Legion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Those comes from the point that they were thought to be the real Legion until Johns retconned them out.

As of Lightning saga, real Legion never returned to main reality after COIE and all of their showings are of an alternate Legion.

They weren't "thought" to be the real legion, they actually were. it's not like they were an illusion or something, the interactions happened, and even when the explanation came, the interactions were referenced, so inconsistency is what it is. Which is what ive been arguing all along.

Originally posted by operator616
They weren't "thought" to be the real legion, they actually were. it's not like they were an illusion or something, the interactions happened, and even when the explanation came, the interactions were referenced, so inconsistency is what it is. Which is what ive been arguing all along.

That's what I'm saying.

Anyway GDS is totally Canon to Darkseid. End of discussion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

That's what I'm saying.

Anyway GDS is totally Canon to Darkseid. End of discussion.

Don't think so, but ok whatever.

Thats because it was the future at those times. The Infinite Crisis undid the knot in the timeline in 1985 and brought back everything Pre-Crisis into continuity. From that moment, we saw the original Legion begin to re-appear.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thats because it was the future at those times. The Infinite Crisis undid the knot in the timeline in 1985 and brought back everything Pre-Crisis into continuity. From that moment, we saw the original Legion begin to re-appear.

The reasons are irrelevant though. The inconsistency still happened.

It's just like in Hawkman's case. His post-Crisis continuity was a big clusterf*ck. We know that COIE was the reason behind the clusterf*ck, but that still doesn't change what it is: a big clusterf*ck. 👆

Originally posted by operator616
Don't think so, but ok whatever.

And one more thing I discovered? The Mangog in Jurgens run was as powerful as Silver age Mangog. Get this, the "beast" who made Odin shit his pants was killed by Thor after he stunned Mangog by himself. Which was refuted even after Mangog himself said he was powered by a billion, billion beings like before.

More powerful than Ego and Validus, huh?

A few more things, Odin was at full power when he died disconnecting Mangog from his race. Mangog was at full power in Thor 250 when Igron restored his power and Jurgens Mangog was indeed at full power and Mangog in Thunderstrike was also at full power.

More powerful than Validus? He'd be lucky to be at HP Doomsday level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A few more things, Odin was at full power when he died disconnecting Mangog from his race. Mangog was at full power in Thor 250 when Igron restored his power and Jurgens Mangog was indeed at full power and Mangog in Thunderstrike was also at full power.

More powerful than Validus? He'd be lucky to be at HP Doomsday level.

Along with disconnecting Mangog from his power source, Odin's attack must also disarm Mangog of the Odinsword. And this is assuming that the weakened Odin is fully replenished by the well.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Along with disconnecting Mangog from his power source, Odin's attack must also disarm Mangog of the Odinsword. And this is assuming that the weakened Odin is fully replenished by the well.

Odin was at full power noted in comic and bio both.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odinsword was useless as it wasn't in Asgard at that point.

Odin was at full power noted in comic and bio both.

The confrontation is on Asgard. Asgard is transported outside of time and space in order to protect creation from being destroyed by the unsheathing of the sword. The sword's power remains and it is specifically stated that Odin uses his power to both disconnect Mangog from his source and sheath the sword. This is in the story and in the bio:

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