Odin vs Thanos/Darkseid

Started by DarkSaint8517 pages
Originally posted by darthgoober
No, not GDS lol

Well, I don't see the GDS as being excluded specifically in the rules, as you said.

Only that alt. timelines are excluded - except for rare occasions, lol.

Ask Bada, he'll ban GDS in a nanosecond. And you.

And every other DC fanboy if I ask him real nicely...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, I don't see the GDS as being excluded specifically in the rules, as you said.

Only that alt. timelines are excluded - except for rare occasions, lol.


It's an alternate timeline featuring a version of DS far in the future. If you want to be an exception you'd need a Mod ruling saying that the standard rule DOESN'T apply. We don't consider all alternate showings cannon until they're proven to be non cannon after all. Just like the Glads/Thor fight and I'm pretty sure that he was plucked from a point in time far closer to his fight than seperates GDS from current continuity(GDS takes place many thousands of years in the future iirc).

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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My bad lol.

Well, I just thought that the rule was altered specifically for the GDS - and I see it being applied as a blanket across ALL alt. timelines.

Except, we can't just apply it as a blanket ruling. Because the ruling specifically says 'rare occasions'.

Now, obv that is for the mods to clarify and whatnot. But I am just pointing out that we can't just quote that ruling as proof - when it clearly says that there are rare occasions where it does not apply.

It's like saying drugs are always banned in sports...but there are occasions when it's allowed. When? Doesn't say. Clarification is of course needed, to point out the occasions when it IS allowed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, I just thought that the rule was altered specifically for the GDS - and I see it being applied as a blanket across ALL alt. timelines.

Except, we can't just apply it as a blanket ruling. Because the ruling specifically says 'rare occasions'.

Now, obv that is for the mods to clarify and whatnot. But I am just pointing out that we can't just quote that ruling as proof - when it clearly says that there are rare occasions where it does not apply.

It's like saying drugs are always banned in sports...but there are occasions when it's allowed. When? Doesn't say. Clarification is of course needed, to point out the occasions when it IS allowed.


It's always said "with rare exceptions", even before it was amended lol. But when I asked about it via PM back the answer I got in regards was a flat out "no of course not, that'd be rediculous". Obviously we have different Mods now who might decide differently, but in general they don't seem to like to actually outright overrule things Digi and Tron set up back in the day. Nowadays they've made more rules against things that are canon being barred than they have exceptions for things that are against the rules being allowed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's always said "with rare exceptions", even before it was amended lol. But when I asked about it via PM back the answer I got in regards was a flat out "no of course not, that'd be rediculous". Obviously we have different Mods now who might decide differently, but in general they don't seem to like to actually outright overrule things Digi and Tron set up back in the day.

Ah, I see.....I thought it was something different.

Nonetheless, Carver never specified 😈

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, I see.....I thought it was something different.

Nonetheless, Carver never specified 😈


Oh no, I never meant that the arc was specifically in the rules. I just meant that the rules were amended to include characters with multiple versions and alternate timelines specifically to exclude the GDS. Digi didn't like to make rulings on specific characters because he knew that people would ignore the rule when it applied to other characters too, he prefered to make the rules clear enough that it was obvious who all they applied to. He was all about fairness across the board.

Cool.

So with rare exceptions, it's a ruling.

Again, however, to reiterate: Carver said pre DCnU. So all showings are game anyway.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

So with rare exceptions, it's a ruling.

Again, however, to reiterate: Carver said pre DCnU. So all showings are game anyway.


No it's still not allowed until it's PROVEN to be allowed because the general rule is that alternate timelines and such are barred. There doesn't need to be an OP stipluation that the standard rules are in play.

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The reverse rule of that is the interviews rule; only the obscure ones cannot be used.

ODG got his neck snapped by Pr for misinterpreting the rules, so better be quiet, Asian Saint.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No it's still not allowed until it's PROVEN to be allowed because the general rule is that alternate timelines and such are barred. There doesn't need to be an OP stipluation that the standard rules are in play.

The general rule, yes.

Except in rare occasions.

I'm sure it may well be the case. But until it's clarified, no. This is the rare occasion it's allowed, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is the rare occasion it's allowed, lol.

Says who?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The general rule, yes.

Except in rare occasions.

I'm sure it may well be the case. But until it's clarified, no. This is the rare occasion it's allowed, lol.


No you'd have to establish that this is a rare exception, you can't just say it is and then expect everyone to acknowledge it as such lol. By the same token, feats from continuity are allowed EXCEPT JLA/Avengers which is specifically noted in the rule. There'd need to be something in either the rule itself or the character rulings thread to note that it's an exeption to the general rule. People don't have to prove you wrong about it being an exception, you have to prove yourself right.

Well rules never specify.

Everything which is not forbidden, is allowed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulla_poena_sine_lege

Says that rare occasions, alt. Timelines are allowed
In the absence of a ruling clarifying what this means, they're allowed.

Of course, if a mod rules GDS is not canon, that's perfectly fine with me.

But the rules, as they are written, allow for rare occasions. And this is a rare occasion.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No you'd have to establish that this is a rare exception, you can't just say it is and then expect everyone to acknowledge it as such lol. By the same token, feats from continuity are allowed EXCEPT JLA/Avengers which is specifically noted in the rule. There'd need to be something in either the rule itself or the character rulings thread to note that it's an exeption to the general rule. People don't have to prove you wrong about it being an exception, you have to prove yourself right.

Don't worry, I've reported him vin

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Originally posted by darthgoober
No you'd have to establish that this is a rare exception, you can't just say it is and then expect everyone to acknowledge it as such lol. By the same token, feats from continuity are allowed EXCEPT JLA/Avengers which is specifically noted in the rule. There'd need to be something in either the rule itself or the character rulings thread to note that it's an exeption to the general rule. People don't have to prove you wrong about it being an exception, you have to prove yourself right.

Sure.

How many time have I argued that alt. Timelines count as canon, in my time here (nigh on 6years, I believe)?

This is the first time, in my thousands of posts.

So it's a rare occasion.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well rules never specify.

Everything which is not forbidden, is allowed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulla_poena_sine_lege

Says that rare occasions, alt. Timelines are allowed
In the absence of a ruling clarifying what this means, they're allowed.

Of course, if a mod rules GDS is not canon, that's perfectly fine with me.

But the rules, as they are written, allow for rare occasions. And this is a rare occasion.


You have to prove something being an exception to the rule. We don't need the Mods to step in and say that the rule applies, you'd need to have one step in to say that it doesn't. You're the one going against the grain, therefor you have to be the one to prove such a thing.