But I have.
It says on rare occasions, they're allowed.
I'm saying it's a rare occasion, because a very significantly large amount of the time, we don't have arguments like this about alt. Timelines, and all agree they're non canon.
I don't have to prove it's canon, am merely pointing out that the rules clearly state that exceptions, rare as they are, are allowed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I have.It says on rare occasions, they're allowed.
I'm saying it's a rare occasion, because a very significantly large amount of the time, we don't have arguments like this about alt. Timelines, and all agree they're non canon.
I don't have to prove it's canon, am merely pointing out that the rules clearly state that exceptions, rare as they are, are allowed.
Then what's the criteria? In the absence of it, I have just as much justification for using it.
'Performance enhancing drugs are banned, except in rare circumstances'.
If I had that as a ruling at the Olympics, without any further clarifications, there'd be mayhem.
Until clarification is given, I'm going to continue juicing up on Venom.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then what's the criteria? In the absence of it, I have just as much justification for using it.'Performance enhancing drugs are banned, except in rare circumstances'.
If I had that as a ruling at the Olympics, without any further clarifications, there'd be mayhem.
Until clarification is given, I'm going to continue juicing up on Venom.
By the same token, if you want to get recognized as a special case exception to an established law you got to go before a judge and have him/her rule in your favor. You don't get to declare yourself a special case and expect everyone else to go along with it until a judge declares otherwise.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Technically it was said GDS darkseid was weaker then his past self as that's why he was trying to absorb energy to regain his power
Originally posted by darthgoober
I may be remembering wrong but didn't he lack the ALE in the GDS? Because he's had is since the GDS was released. Therefor the reference could be that he lacked it in that future. This is why future versions aren't allowed, there's too many rectons and other potential variables that can't be accounted for and we spend a lot more time researching than writers do. I mean do you recall how many thousands of years in the future it's set off the top of your head?
Didn't reference the ALE
Again similar story happened in the other legion timeline (volume 4). As per multiversity it's all canon to darkseid and as per crisis all three legion timelines are still active
Originally posted by -K-M-
Didn't reference the ALEAgain similar story happened in the other legion timeline (volume 4). As per multiversity it's all canon to darkseid and as per crisis all four legion timelines are still active
Originally posted by darthgoober
It still happened far in the future correct? That's mean it's not yet canon for him.
To a degree. Future darkseid brought young darkseid into the future to steal his body and experienced that
Again as per his own statement future darkseid in both the legion timelines said he was weaker then his past self. Even tried to take his younger selfs body
Originally posted by -K-M-
To a degree. Future darkseid brought young darkseid into the future to steal his body and experienced thatAgain as per his own statement future darkseid in both the legion timelines said he was weaker then his past self. Even tried to take his younger selfs body
Originally posted by darthgoober
It's still an alternate timeline that "our" version of DS hasn't experienced yet. I'm not saying it's excluded by way of logic/reason I'm it's excluded by way of forum rules because it's an alternate timeline. It was written during the Pre Crisis era when DS was treated really well, then he got toned down a lot, now his stock's back up, and who knows what the Hell he'll be like when DC decides to do another reboot which demonstrates the value of the rule. The rule is there to simplify things, alternate version/timeline... therefor not applicable. There's enough nonsense to debate about in regards to comics without having to open that can of worms which allows for the potential of certain What Ifs, Elseworlds, and the like being brought up.
"Our" version of darkseid was brought into the future and even fought future darkseid
Again as per darkseid referring to current timeline said he was weaker in BOTH the legion stories. As per final crisis those timelines are still canon and active. Not much to debate really anyway you look at it he was weaker then "our" darkseid. Technically every showing is all darkseid as per multiveristy
If we want to restrict it? Sure. But that doesn't mean it isn't canon
Originally posted by -K-M-
"Our" version of darkseid was brought into the future and even fought future darkseidAgain as per darkseid referring to current timeline said he was weaker in BOTH the legion stories. As per final crisis those timelines are still canon and active. Not much to debate really anyway you look at it he was weaker then "our" darkseid. Technically every showing is all darkseid as per multiveristy
Originally posted by darthgoober
He was PHYSICALLY weaker... he was basically a craggy old man. If Professor X were evil, brought his younger self to the future to pull a brain switch because his younger self were "stonger" it wouldn't mean that old Evil X's telepathic feats were usable by young X.
Yes. Physically. Future darkseid said he was superior in mind only due to his experience. Didn't say he had powers you don't have. Just more experienced...but didn't help him in the fight. While in GDS said he was weaker in power
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes. Physically. Future darkseid said he was superior in mind only due to his experience. Didn't say he had powers you don't have. Just more experienced...but didn't help him in the fight. While in GDS said he was weaker in power
Originally posted by darthgoober
Right so things like GDS's telepathic feats aren't really viable for current DS. If you're talking about things like pimp slaps I could see a case being made for them being viable... except that it's an alternate timeline and therefor not allowed via forum rules.
How so? He was talking about inteliegence not telepathic powers but experience 😬
Again then that becomes murky seeing as current pre 52 darkseid was part of that story you're trying to say can't use
Originally posted by -K-M-
How so? He was talking about inteliegence not telepathic powers but experience 😬Again then that becomes murky seeing as current pre 52 darkseid was part of that story you're trying to say can't use
Originally posted by darthgoober
Experience matters a lot in regards to telepathy. That's how Emma Frost beat Rachel Grey. It's been so long since I've read it that I can't actually remember, did "young" DS specifically beat old DS in a telepathic battle?
Except you know that's not what he was referring to. He literally said "I have the mind, seasoned by experience" literally talking about intelligence. If his powers were greater why didn't he show his superiority? Because you know as he said he was a shadow of his former self
No. Current darkseid manhandled shadow Orion and used his gun to kill future darkseid due to the prophecy and that's how it ended
