Vitiate/Revan vs. Sidious/Plagueis

Elm, you do know the unbalance was caused by the tampering with Midichlorians, right? Vitiate literally didn't know of the means to unbalance the Force the way Sidious and Plagueis did. Moreover, Vitiate main goal was to eat the entire galaxy; he didn't particularly care about, or try to unbalance the Force.

Using the unbalance thing as the crux of your argument is fundamentally flawed.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Elm, you do know the unbalance was caused by the tampering with Midichlorians, right? Vitiate literally didn't know of the means to unbalance the Force the way Sidious and Plagueis did. Moreover, Vitiate main goal was to eat the entire galaxy; he didn't particularly care about, or try to unbalance the Force.

Using the unbalance thing as the crux of your argument is fundamentally flawed.

If your case is that there's no side by side comparison of feats, that equally applies to all of Vitiate's that you think are so impressive.

But the point is that Plagueis's best feats and accolades are more impressive in their domain than Vitiate's are.

btw did you ever respond to that thing you were gonna replace Neph on?

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
How do ****ers in the SW fandom treat shit when a feat/accolade is absent from a different version of the same source?

Because for the life of me, I can't find Plagueis' accolade on the back of my paper back *shrugs*

Star Wars is something of a bizarre canon, hence my asking

Still curious about this btw :hmm

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Elm, you do know the unbalance was caused by the tampering with Midichlorians, right? Vitiate literally didn't know of the means to unbalance the Force the way Sidious and Plagueis did. Moreover, Vitiate main goal was to eat the entire galaxy; he didn't particularly care about, or try to unbalance the Force.

Using the unbalance thing as the crux of your argument is fundamentally flawed.

So what you're saying is Vitiate devouring Natheema and Ziost doesn't even place him above Dooku? 🙂

Lmao. Sel beating ass.

Originally posted by Selenial
So what you're saying is Vitiate devouring Natheema and Ziost doesn't even place him above Dooku? 🙂

You're a better debater than this last I saw :hmm

Granted, the strawman could just be trolling because "lolKMC" kind of mindset *shrugs*

I can actually stick a figure to vaporizing/atomizing and consuming the energy of entire populations (the vaporization/atomization being the after effect of said energy being consumed)

I can't even begin to pretend to know how much power over some kind of time manipulating some weird organism even translates into an energy figure

One translates into something measurable (if not still generic magic in nature), the other requires more data to gauge on account of being entirely a product of the setting

Again though, no actual stakes in who kills who

Just more semantics because that's the only part of this hobby that interests me anymore

I do have Dooku above pre-Nathema Vitiate.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I do have Dooku above pre-Nathema Vitiate.

He's more or less featless before gorging on what was up to that time (before the Valley of the Jedi was a thing) the greatest Dark Side nexus ever

Well, it was either Nathema that was the nexus briefly before being consumed, or Vitiate

Been a while since I saw the TOR encyclopedia quote

Still, Dooku being superior to Pre-Nathema Vitiate is hardly saying much *shrugs*

Originally posted by Selenial
So what you're saying is Vitiate devouring Natheema and Ziost doesn't even place him above Dooku? 🙂

Waaaaat? xD

I may have to finally cast my vote in favor of team 2 if no one can offer a compelling argument in favor of team 1.

What if Revan uses both sides of the Force?

Well that settles it.

Team 2 ftw.

I'm still intrigued how 10 people voted for team 1. I myself voted for team 2.

I like how Sheev fans still pretend unbalancing the Force is comparable to literally wiping out all life in the galaxy and draining the power from billions of stars.

But hey.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I like how Sheev fans still pretend unbalancing the Force is comparable to literally wiping out all life in the galaxy and draining the power from billions of stars.

But hey.

If you're referring to Vitiate, he needed a galactic war, a thousand years of prep, a nexus, and then the collective energies of galactic civilization to try to pull that off. Sidious and Plagueis just meditated for a while, and sure, maybe they took advantage of some corruption or something.

BTW, Sidious in Dark Empire was basically stated to be capable of doing that too, but he didn't need a galactic war.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm still intrigued how 10 people voted for team 1. I myself voted for team 2.

Judging from the lack of responses from the team 1 supporters, we can safely infer that it wasn't facts or evidence that compelled their votes.

I guess owes to bias or trolling. Shameful.

They are clearly afraid of Sheev

It's spite against Sheev's victory, like the Japanese holdouts in world war 2 howling in futility against the American machine.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Judging from the lack of responses from the team 1 supporters, we can safely infer that it wasn't facts or evidence that compelled their votes.

I guess owes to bias or trolling. Shameful.