Reevaluating the Sith (Legends)

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The Ellimist The Shadow

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I don't do lists. The only reliably factual list is

1. Palps
Then everybody else.

(1.?) Soresu Taalon
2. Palpatine
3. Plagueis
4. Everyone else

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The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by The Ellimist
(1.?) Soresu Taalon

Nonsense and heresy. Taalon has neither deadlifted an SSD nor has he threatened to consume all of space. He's Sheev's b1tch.

AncientPower The Chosen One

I'm honestly considering:

1.Darth Nihilus.

The Ellimist The Shadow
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nonsense and heresy. Taalon has neither deadlifted an SSD nor has he threatened to consume all of space. He's Sheev's b1tch.

Powerscaling, powerscaling, Luke. And shifting the balance. And holistic intent (dipping in the pool of knowledge).

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm honestly considering:

1.Darth Nihilus.

Elaborate.

Deronn_solo King Yami

What about the quotes that explicitly place Vitiate and Sidious is above him, AP?

Plagueis too, if you buy into the blurb argument.

The Ellimist The Shadow

I even fail to see how a pure-feats based analysis could put Nihilus above Palpatine.

AncientPower The Chosen One

He's capable of ruining the surface of a planet and a station so large it covers the eigth of a surface of a planet, that is bigger than anything Valkorion did and it is more devastating than what Palpatine summoned with storms.

The quotes can be dismissed by Nihilus no longer percieving the Force orders.

The Ellimist The Shadow
Originally posted by AncientPower
He's capable of ruining the surface of a planet

It's...pretty dubious whether he does this himself.


and a station so large it covers the eigth of a surface of a planet, that is bigger than anything Valkorion did and it is more devastating than what Palpatine summoned with storms.

Palpatine's Force storms can rip the surfaces off of worlds, so it could presumably destroy a station that's on the surface of a planet.


The quotes can be dismissed by Nihilus no longer percieving the Force orders.

Yet he has a sith name...

In either case, Palpatine's storms are still superior, and then he outstrips Nihilus in every other category.

AncientPower The Chosen One

It is literally his existence.

Sheev's storm heavily damaged one side of the surface of Coruscant.

Nihilus whilst starved could 'annihilate' the entire surface of Telos IV and 'crush' Citadel Station with his power.

Which was his name before he shedded his body, he has long since stopped comprehending the universe the way others did.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yet he has a sith name...

That's a pretty weak rebuttal tbh.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

The only problem was that Nihilus clearly wasn't able to do it on a whim, whereas Sidious could instantly conjure Storms that swallowed entire fleets or ravaged the surfaces of moons and planets.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Nihilus is a Sith Lord. That he doesn't care for Sith philosophy doesn't change that fact. After all, Traya herself hardly aligned with conventional Sith philosophy, but she was a Lord of the Sith all the same.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Let's not take Luke's hyperbole into account, it was one side of the surface of Coruscant.

Nihilus was dragging around a fleet of ships with telekinesis, that didn't even seem to be difficult for him. Destroying said fleet wouldn't exactly be beyond his powers, nor is a fleet of ships or pinnacle moon base comparable to what Nihilus could achieve at Telos IV.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

If you don't care for Sith philosophy or the Sith moniker then honestly what's there to connect you with being a Sith regardless of what Traya dubbed him?

Deronn_solo King Yami

The fact that Star Wars Legends canon itself refer to Nihilus as a Sith Lord?

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

I mean does that matter?

Valkorian isn't considered a Sith despite being called a Sith entity.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

It doesn't matter what you're considered. It's the external sources that label them as Sith. And external sources that denote Palpatine's supremacy.

Azronger Azronger Reborn

Even Valkorion and Malak's non-Force sensitive mooks are labeled Sith. It doesn't matter what the person believes. If they are called Sith by out-of-universe sources, they are Sith.

ILS Restricted

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I mean does that matter?

Valkorian isn't considered a Sith despite being called a Sith entity.

I would say that whether you are a Sith or not anymore is arbitrary when the not-Sith in question has been trained solely as a Sith; case in point, Nihilus, Maul, Tenebrous and Valkoriate all have two things in common; they are trained as Sith, and they either don't consider themselves Sith or disagree with Sith teachings. That doesn't really change what they are, only what they call themselves.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

So anybody who uses the Darkside is considered a Sith? What about Dark Jedi? Where is the line drawn?