Reevaluating the Sith (Legends)

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
So anybody who uses the Darkside is considered a Sith? What about Dark Jedi? Where is the line drawn?

Set Harth was stated to be a Dark Jedi despite being in possession of a Sith holocron...

Generally speaking, to be a Sith, you have to be trained or confirmed by a Sith Master.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Set Harth was stated to be a Dark Jedi despite being in possession of a Sith holocron...

But he's a product of Sith teachings.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Generally speaking, to be a Sith, you have to be trained or confirmed by a Sith Master.

I just think the line gets a little blurry when we're placing arbitrary, unconfirmed restraints on classifications.

Honestly the only reason I don't have Nihilus on or above Sidious's level is because it's not confirmed he gained the power of those worlds he absorbed. The energy might have just gone to satiating his hunger.

Is there a quote confirming those planetary drains contributed to a power growth on his part?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
But he's a product of Sith teachings.

And just in the same way that if, upon becoming a mathematician, I was then to denounce the laws of mathematics, I would still be a mathematician per my training and expertise.

Set Harth is certainly not a product of Sith teaching under these parameters, he is a product of Jedi teaching who took a liking to Sith ways, but was not fully inducted in any meaningful way, that makes him a Dark Jedi.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Is there a quote confirming those planetary drains contributed to a power growth on his part?

May I see it. :3

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Uh-huh, but just in the same way that reading maths textbook would not make me a mathematician, being a Sith comes with a certain completeness and rigorousness of instruction.

And just in the same way that if, upon becoming a mathematician, I was then to denounce the laws of mathematics, I would still be a mathematician per my training and expertise.

Set Harth is certainly not a product of Sith teaching under these parameters, he is a product of Jedi teaching who took a liking to Sith ways, but was not fully inducted in any meaningful way, that makes him a Dark Jedi.

You're trying to compare a job to a classification.

It's the difference between your example of denouncing the laws of mathematics and still being a mathematician by using math, which wouldn't make you a mathematician anyways, that would only be if you kept your job ( the equivalent of following the Sith tenants ).

To denouncing the Catholic faith, not following any of its tenants and still calling yourself a Catholic. Nobody else would consider you a catholic certainly.

If only Nihilus was consistently called a Sith Lord by valid sources, this compelling argument could finally be put to rest. mmm

Someone is Sith when out-of-universe sources refer to said person as Sith. It's not such a hard concept to grasp.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
If only Nihilus was consistently called a Sith Lord by valid sources, this compelling argument could finally be put to rest. mmm

Are there actually sources that go out of their way to establish he is not a Sith? Or do they just leave out the Sith part? If it's the latter, there's no contradiction.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You're trying to compare a job to a classification.

It's the difference between your example of denouncing the laws of mathematics and still being a mathematician by using math ( which wouldn't make you a mathematician anyways ). That would only be if you kept your job ( the equivalent of following the Sith tennanta ).

To denouncing the Catholic faith, not following any of its tenants and still calling yourself a Catholic. Nobody else would consider you a catholic certainly.

Originally posted by Azronger
Are there actually sources that go out of their way to establish he is not a Sith? Or do they just leave out the Sith part? If it's the latter, there's no contradiction.

Originally posted by Azronger
Are there actually sources that go out of their way to establish he is not a Sith? Or do they just leave out the Sith part? If it's the latter, there's no contradiction.

Kreia claims and the KOTORCG confirms that N doesn't give a shit about the Sith. But both of those sources, along with every single one I've ever seen on N, call him a Sith Lord.

Spoiler:
He'a a Sith Lord.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's not a job, its a field of expertise, and in that respect yes, a classification. That said as far as I'm aware none of the aforementioned names gave up Sith practices, so I'm not sure what your point is.

If he doesn't follow its philosophy or tenants though then he's essentially just a Darkside Force user using Sith techniques like Set Harth.

And what is Sith philosophy, exactly?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
If he doesn't follow its philosophy or tenants though then he's essentially just a Darkside Force user using Sith techniques like Set Harth.

Apparently there's an elephant in the room: N is consistently called a Sith Lord by official sources... including the ones that say he dgaf about the Sith.

So how do you plan on getting around Babar?

You could always draw on the Nephthys Doctrine of Selective Facts.

There's way too many to even list. Which is what I'm saying. What qualifies you as a Sith? And no, I'm not talking about outside sources, in universe what makes a Sith a Sith?