Ood Bnar Comparison: DE Luke vs Kun

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
@Beni:

Nice rebuttal, Beni. Kyp's power was stated as "feeble", and he couldn't even penetrate the barrier put up by Corran Horn until Kun amped him. Per Horn himself, Kyp attacks were like light breezes on it's own, while, with Kun amping him, it was like gales of wind. Also the quotes make it pretty clear that Kun had access to some of his power and not all.

Keep dreaming though, boo. 🙂

He reached out with his mind, following the paths of the Force that led to every object in the universe, drawing power from the cosmic focal point of the Massassi temple. He searched, sending his thoughts like a probe deep into the storm systems of the gas giant.

Behind him, Kyp felt the black-ice power of Exar Kun arise, tapping into him and reinforcing his abilities. His own feeble exploratory touch suddenly plunged forward like a blaster bolt. Kyp felt larger, a part of the jungle moon, then a part of the entire planetary system, until he burrowed into the heart of the gas giant itself.

So 1. What's being describes as "feeble" are Kyp's sensory powers and sensory powers alone, not overall power, or even raw power at all, and 2. this is ultimately proven feeble when Kun both bolsters and taps into his strength, or rather his latent and vast potential.

A moot point, all in all. As is any comparison between base Kyp and Kyp with his latent powers unlocked.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Kun's lightning alone was doing Luke in, even before the complex sorcery was added into the equation, if I recall correctly.

Tentacles that his Force Barrier wasn't sufficient enough to combat, lmao.

Also, source for Kun was in "visible pain" after being knocked over? Seen as he looked to be fine in the next couple of panels and just simply walked outside to ragdoll Sylvar. Or are you simply lowaballing Kun because he was knocked over? I hope not. That could simply mean he wasn't expecting the attack. Grandmaster Luke wasn't expecting an attack from the hidden one, and was consequently knocked over.

Luke wasn't expecting that attack either, and that would be what's visibly evident. Mmm.

But of course, I never argued that Kun's injury was lasting.

So 1. What's being describes as "feeble" are Kyp's sensory powers and sensory powers alone, not overall power, or even raw power at all, and 2. this is ultimately proven feeble when Kun both bolsters and taps into his strength, or rather his latent and vast potential

The reaching clearly has no limits. lol.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Luke wasn't expecting that attack either, and that would be what's visibly evident. Mmm.

But of course, I never argued that Kun's injury was lasting.

You can't even proove that Kun had an injury at all. This was a terrible comparison.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3uzKKBQ6Hw

@Beni:

1.Sensory powers is like the most basic tenant of the Force, and a clear indication of how powerful a Force user really is. There was a reason Kyp was believed to have great power after he used his sensory/precognition to pilot through the Maw under the same writer. All in all, 9 times outta 10, if something analogous to that is feeble, than your overall power is too.

2. Way to ignore my Corran argument, and the part where it was stated Kun only had access to some of his power. 👆

Moral to the story; Kun, when channelling his power through Kyp, overall was weaker than his peak physical self. The extent of that superiority is the only thing that is debatable

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Kyp's power was stated as "feeble"

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Originally posted by Deronn_solo
@Beni:

1.Sensory powers is like the most basic tenant of the Force, and a clear indication of how powerful a Force user really is. There was a reason Kyp was believed to have great power after he used his sensory/precognition to pilot through the Maw under the same writer. All in all, 9 times outta 10, if something analogous to that is feeble, than your overall power is too.

2. Way to ignore my Corran argument, and the part where it was stated Kun only had access to some of his power. 👆

2. I covered your argument fine, but you don't appear to be grasping it.

And as for Kun only having access to some of his power, I don't recall that being anywhere stated. Only that there were some abilities or "powers" that he was not able to use.

Moral to the story; Kun, when channelling his power through Kyp, overall was weaker than his peak physical self. The extent of that superiority is the only thing that is debatable

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
You can't even proove that Kun had an injury at all. This was a terrible comparison.

Originally posted by Selenial
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Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Tentacles that his Force Barrier wasn't sufficient enough to combat, lmao.

Actually, he resisted just fine. It was the immense pain that distracted him and allowed Kun to rip his soul out of his body.

I hope the Kun fans (which I myself are a part of) realize this comparison does not lower him at all. It only raises Luke, Sedriss, and Sidious. But it does affect Kun's rank negatively.

Let us all just accept that Luke is > Exar.

Originally posted by Azronger
Actually, he resisted just fine. It was the immense pain that distracted him and allowed Kun to rip his soul out of his body.

Interesting, do you have the quote?

I have the book, but I don't feel like searching for it. xD

Also, Deronn, sensory powers aren't an indication of ones latent power in the Force, unless you think Kaox Krull, who has planetary-level sense-abilities, is > 99% of Sith.

Which I'm fine with since PoD Bane is > Him.

Originally posted by Azronger
I hope the Kun fans (which I myself are a part of) realize this comparison does not lower him at all. It only raises Luke, Sedriss, and Sidious. But it does affect Kun's rank negatively.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No your merely failing to grasp what is visually evident i.e. 1. that Kun was grimacing because he was in pain 2. that Kun was clutching a object for support because he was weakened 3. that Kun was shaking because he was weakened 4. that his Massassi b*tch was fawning over him because he was distressed over Kun's pained stated.

Yeah, absolutely nothing in this panel indicates he was injured :

Where is this "grimacing in pain"?

Kun "clutching" an object for support? You mean there being a support for him to conveniently stand up, that most people injured or un-injured would use?

Where is this shaking, are you talking about the dubiously placed contoured lines that can be found everywhere else in the room

As for his Massassi [i\bitches[/i], who are inclined to fawn and generally be overprotective of their master, who are also at the end of the blast, are you going to tell me that Kun is weaker than them too?

Despite the illustrator laying these things out quite plainly.

And if the writers and artists wanted to lay things out clearly, then they wouldn't have made it obvious that Kun could emerge from the fray completely unharmed within two seconds of the event.