Ood Bnar Comparison: DE Luke vs Kun

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Interesting, do you have the quote?

I have the book, but I don't feel like searching for it. xD

With the Sun Crusher looming behind him, Kyp stretched out both hands and blasted Luke with lightning bolts like black cracks in the Force. Dark tendrils rose up from gaps in the temple flagstones, fanged, illusory vipers that struck at him from all sides.

Luke cried out and tried to strike back, but the shadow of Exar Kun joined the attack, adding more deadly force. The ancient Dark Lord of the Sith lashed out with waves of blackness, driving long icicles of frozen poison into Luke's body.

He thrashed, but felt helpless. To lose control to anger and desperation would be as great a failure as if he did nothing at all. Luke called upon the powers that Yoda and Obi-Wan had taught him - but everything he did, every skillful technique, failed utterly.

Against the full might of Kyp Durron and the forbidden weapons of the long-dead spirit of Exar Kun, even a Jedi Master such as Luke Skywalker could not prevail.

The black serpentlike tentacles of evil force struck at him again and again, filling his body with a pain like lava coursing through his veins. As he screamed, his voice was swallowed by a hurricane from the dark side.

Luke cried out one last time and crumpled backward to the blessedly cool flagstones of the Great Massassi Temple, as everything turned a smothering, final black around him....

-Jedi Academy: Dark Apprentice

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It had been a week since the trainees at the Jedi academy had found Luke Skywalker's motionless body atop the temple. They had brought him inside, done their best to care for him-but they did not know what to do. The best New Republic medics had found no physical damage. They agreed that Luke still lived, but he lay in complete stasis. He responded to none of their tests or probes.

...

Cilghal hesitated, then moved to stare down at Luke. "Master Skywalker told me I have an innate talent for healing with the Force. He had just begun to show me how to develop my skills - but I've tried all I know. He is not sick. There's nothing physically wrong with him. He seems frozen in a moment of time, as if his soul has left and his body is waiting for him to come back."

-Jedi Academy: Champions of the Force

Originally posted by MythLord
Also, Deronn, sensory powers aren't an indication of ones latent power in the Force, unless you think Kaox Krull, who has planetary-level sense-abilities, is > 99% of Sith.

Which I'm fine with since PoD Bane is > Him.

Babe, who said anything about it being an indication of latent power? I do think it, like telekinetic prowess, and to lesser extent TP, is a clear indication of ones power in the Force. Mainly because they are the most basic and important tenants a Force user possesses.

Ehh, they're some guys that can stretch out their senses across the galaxy...but as I said before, it's the case 9/10, there is always exception to rules.

Just for reference, A hindered Anakin on mustafar wasn't able to sense Obi Wan - despite developing a brotherly Force bond to the latter after years of tuelege, and that cleary reflected in their fight when they stalemated each other. So yeah, one facet of Force power is usually indicative of others, unless there is some glaring exceptions. Kyp being feeble compared to Kun just implies a rather large gap in power, as Beni would say, the writers are trying to make an indication of how much weaker Kyp is compared to Kun.

Azronger,

I think the point here is this:

He thrashed, but felt helpless. To lose control to anger and desperation would be as great a failure as if he did nothing at all. Luke called upon the powers that Yoda and Obi-Wan had taught him - but everything he did, every skillful technique, failed utterly.

- Dark Apprentice

That every defence application of Force defence he tried failed him, and that he was left defenceless.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Where is this "grimacing in pain"?

Kun "clutching" an object for support? You mean there being a support for him to conveniently stand up, that most people injured or un-injured would use?

Where is this shaking, are you talking about the dubiously placed contoured lines that can be found everywhere else in the room

As for his Massassi [i\bitches[/i], who are inclined to fawn and generally be overprotective of their master, who are also at the end of the blast, are you going to tell me that Kun is weaker than them too?

And don't tempt me lol.

And if the writers and artists wanted to lay things out clearly, then they wouldn't have made it obvious that Kun could emerge from the fray completely unharmed within two seconds of the event.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Just for reference, A hindered Anakin on mustafar wasn't able to sense Obi Wan - despite developing a brotherly Force bond to the latter after years of tuelege, and that cleary reflected in their fight when they stalemated each other. So yeah, one facet of Force power is usually indicative of others, unless there is some glaring exceptions. Kyp being feeble compared to Kun just implies a rather large gap in power, as Beni would say, the writers are trying to make an indication of how much weaker Kyp is compared to Kun.

Am I to take it that is because you have no counter? Or another comprehension blunder? 🙂

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Babe, who said anything about it being an indication of [b]latent power? I do think it, like telekinetic prowess, and to lesser extent TP, is a clear indication of ones power in the Force. Mainly because they are the most basic and important tenants a Force user possesses.

Ehh, they're some guys that can stretch out their senses across the galaxy...but as I said before, it's the case 9/10, there is always exception to rules. [/B]

mmm No time to argue over trivial things such as these, so fair enough, G.

Also... I'm still waiting on that PM, hon. 😉

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
As for his Massassi bitches, who are inclined to fawn and generally be overprotective of their master, who are also at the end of the blast, are you going to tell me that Kun is weaker than them too?

Huh, this is a great point. The Massassi was hit by the attack and wasn't badly harmed. Pretty much debunks the entire theory by itself, honestly. Nice catch!

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Motion lines yes, that you'll see are absent from Kun in later panels, and present when Bnar is lain low by a Massassi and later begins trembling as he undergoes transformation.

Look a bit higher. The same "motion lines" can be seen as just part of the background. Another point debunked.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Azronger,

I think the point here is this:

That every defence application of Force defence he tried failed him, and that he was left defenceless.

As I said, he failed against the soul-ripping, but succeeded against the tendrils.

Uh, no he didn't?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Huh, this is a great point. The Massassi was hit by the attack and wasn't badly harmed. Pretty much debunks the entire theory by itself, honestly. Nice catch!

On the other hand given it was thrown in almost the opposite direction, Kun must have been down for some time. mmm

Look a bit higher. The same "motion lines" can be seen as just part of the background. Another point debunked.

Keep at it though. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That doesn't function at all lol, other than to suggest the Massassi is stronger than him. 😂

On the other hand given it was thrown in almost the opposite direction, Kun must have been down for some time. mmm

No, it suggests the attack wasn't particularly damaging. Cut the clown act, you can't dodge this.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Or there are overlapping onto it. 😕

Keep at it though. 🙂

What? Have you lost your senses? What do you mean overlapping? Obviously its just part of the background. Good grief, and Azdonger was accusing me of denial.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, it suggests the attack wasn't particularly damaging. Cut the clown act, you can't dodge this.

What? Have you lost your senses? What do you mean overlapping? Obviously its just part of the background.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because the Massassi got up well before Kun did?

What the word means. 😬

No, because it wasn't harmed despite not possessing force defenses. So obviously the attack wasn't potent. Therefore, the most likely explanation is that Kun's own force defenses weren't brought to bare, given that he was effected the same way that a defenseless minion was. So the comparison is bunk.

Well firstly you said "there are overlapping", which doesn't make sense. And secondly I don't see a sane point you could be making here. They're not overlapping with anything.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, no he didn't?

Read the quotes I posted again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, because it wasn't harmed despite not possessing force defenses. So obviously the attack wasn't potent. Therefore, the most likely explanation is that Kun's own force defenses weren't brought to bare, given that he was effected the same way that a defenseless minion was. So the comparison is bunk.

Well firstly you said "there are overlapping", which doesn't make sense. And secondly I don't see a sane point you could be making here. They're not overlapping with anything.

Luke didn't succeed in doing anything except scream and get his ass kicked. Which he did pretty well at tbh. 8/12 performance. 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Huh? You've offered zero explanation as to how the Massassi was able to recover faster than Kun. Which he was.

Why does that matter? He got caught in his dumb cape and his giant shoulderpads made standing back up difficult. Who cares.

You not actually suggesting that a random Massassi has better force defenses than Exar Kun, are you? Please tell me you are, I'd love to bust out the popcorn as we watch your credibility evaporate.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I meant they're. My bad. Not sure why that's difficult to grasp, motion lines draw around a person are obviously going to overlap with the background around person.

They match the background too well to say that. There's no indication that they're motion lines, you've just been assuming that they are. If you have some proof that they aren't part of the background, I suggest you post it or move on.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Luke didn't succeed in doing anything except scream and get his ass kicked. Which he did pretty well at tbh. 8/12 performance. 👆

And not get disintegrated by the tendrils, lol.

Where does it say they were trying to disintegrate him and failed?