Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIrony since you've been unable to prove a claim in all your years. You're a massive hypocrite highlighted by this thread. In one thread speed matters in this thread it doesn't at all. At least try and least try to appear intelligent. Granted we know you better than that but please for your own dignitys sake do something.
Incorrect, let me explain how debating works, if I make a claim I can either support said claim with evidence or I don't. Now, if you DISPUTE said claim, and make a claim about what it is REALLY showing, than that part is up to YOU to prove.1. I claim it was moving at this speed - needs proof
2. You claim no it was moving slower than a bullet - needs proofThere is this common misconception that only the first needs to be proven, that is blatantly false. It would be like me claiming the death penalty is more costly than just keeping them in jail forever. That is something I would need numbers for to try and prove it. If they opposing side goes, no, it's actually more costing to keep them in jail than to execute them... So that is still your argument to prove.
So tell me, what proof do you have that it was moving slower than a bullet?
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not saying he'd absolutely unable to hit her, it's just going to be hard and he'll he taking a lot more hits, wearing him down.I'd also argue that just because Hulk was able to ragdoll Loki, doesn't mean he'll be able to do the same to Faora. She's stronger than Loki.
Don't disagree with most of this. I think she would be landing more on him... I just saw nothing that would indicate to me it would take him out. Normal humans weren't even killed by her punches. We see a few of them moving later. The punches she hit superman with, didn't put him down. Now we don't need to get into a durability argument between Hulk and Superman, as that has been done to death... but suffice to say... I believe Hulk could take these hits and keep coming. I agree she'd land more, but honestly, he'd land some as well and his blows sill do more damage.
I agree she's stronger than Loki, problem is, this isn't a bench press contest or a tug of war. Once somebody grabs a hold of her, especially somebody much bigger than her and a beast.. her strength is virtually nullified. He could likely wrap his entire hand around her body, it will be tough for her strength to come into play there and stop him from slamming her. It's the nature of the move that nullifies her strength to some degree. That is what I'm saying.
As I said earlier, I think he can win, but it all depends on how he deals with her really. He'll take Nam with little issue imo. If Faora fights smart, she could possible wear him down. Problem with her is, she doesn't fight smart and using tactics.. she goes right at them head on. That isn't the way to beat Hulk. People don't beat Hulk in a long drawn out fight.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Normal humans weren't even killed by her punches. We see a few of them moving later.
Where do we see this? Or another one of your lies?
Originally posted by Robtard
Come on, dude. We can easily see the hammer flipping end-over-end, it's clearly not moving like a bullet, even a slower bullet.
That's the problem, again you're going by what the AUDIENCE perceives. It doesn't always work that way. As I illustrated numerous times, by that logic, Superman punches at human level speed. I can visually see all the punches, most look human level. I don't think you consider him to be punching at that speed, yet here, you go strictly by how it appears? That's called a double standard my friend. I can cite numerous examples of a bullet being visually shown in a movie... does that mean it was much slower than a normal bullet? Of course not, it simply means the director wanted us to see to bullet for visual effect. When we see Ozy catch the bullet... we see his arm move.. if the director was trying to shoot it at real time... we'd see nothing but an absolute blur. Instead he wanted us to see it. This is a common theme in movies, happens all the time and I know you're aware of that, I'm just unclear why you're ignoring it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the problem, again you're going by what the AUDIENCE perceives. It doesn't always work that way. As I illustrated numerous times, by that logic, Superman punches at human level speed. I can visually see all the punches, most look human level. I don't think you consider him to be punching at that speed, yet here, you go strictly by how it appears? That's called a double standard my friend. I can cite numerous examples of a bullet being visually shown in a movie... does that mean it was much slower than a normal bullet? Of course not, it simply means the director wanted us to see to bullet for visual effect. When we see Ozy catch the bullet... we see his arm move.. if the director was trying to shoot it at real time... we'd see nothing but an absolute blur. Instead he wanted us to see it. This is a common theme in movies, happens all the time and I know you're aware of that, I'm just unclear why you're ignoring it.
Don't think I've ever argued that film Superman punched at super-speed when it wasn't implicitly shown via SFX, be it him moving at a blur or using slow-mo to illustrate what he's doing to viewer, or even heavily implied that he could. Hell, I don't even give him Faora's fighting speed, even though he should technically have it.
I don't believe Whedon intended for us to believe Mjolnir was moving faster or as fast as a bullet in that scene. I believe the speed we see the hammer moving is the speed intended. As it and Hulk are CGI, they could have made it differently, it that were the intention.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where do we see this? Or another one of your lies?
Post the entire clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsqAJKFc59w
Reference points 2:24 ish and then later 3:07... You see brief images of a few faces, and these are the guys Faora disposes of. Then, I can't find the clip, where the soldiers find superman coming out from behind the Train... and they say he's not their enemy. One guy looks the same, and possibly another. That is what I'm referring to.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't disagree with most of this. I think she would be landing more on him... I just saw nothing that would indicate to me it would take him out. Normal humans weren't even killed by her punches. We see a few of them moving later. The punches she hit superman with, didn't put him down. Now we don't need to get into a durability argument between Hulk and Superman, as that has been done to death... but suffice to say... I believe Hulk could take these hits and keep coming. I agree she'd land more, but honestly, he'd land some as well and his blows sill do more damage.I agree she's stronger than Loki, problem is, this isn't a bench press contest or a tug of war. Once somebody grabs a hold of her, especially somebody much bigger than her and a beast.. her strength is virtually nullified. He could likely wrap his entire hand around her body, it will be tough for her strength to come into play there and stop him from slamming her. It's the nature of the move that nullifies her strength to some degree. That is what I'm saying.
As I said earlier, I think he can win, but it all depends on how he deals with her really. He'll take Nam with little issue imo. If Faora fights smart, she could possible wear him down. Problem with her is, she doesn't fight smart and using tactics.. she goes right at them head on. That isn't the way to beat Hulk. People don't beat Hulk in a long drawn out fight.
Hulk was injured by Hulkbuster's punches, I believe it's within reason Faora's Kryptonian strength (eg easily tearing Kryptonian ship metal) will both harm and wear down Hulk in time.
I'd say giving her strength, she could potentially wrestle out of Hulk's grip, should he be able to grab her in the first place, which considering her speed and martial prowess, will not be easy.
Nam would be an easier target, but he's not going down easily and he's strong enough to casually throw a train engine. We've seem them fight smart, when tag-teaming Superman.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Post the entire clip.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsqAJKFc59w
Reference points 2:24 ish and then later 3:07... You see brief images of a few faces, and these are the guys Faora disposes of. Then, I can't find the clip, where the soldiers find superman coming out from behind the Train... and they say he's not their enemy. One guy looks the same, and possibly another. That is what I'm referring to.
And you think those are the same people? 😂
After being punched in the face and hurled into a pile of dead meat and then a missile torching the whole area?
The clip you posted doesn't even have her putting them all down..the clip you posted is before she took the soldiers down.
Nice of you to ignore the clip I posted of her one shotting them all, and you post a clip of them before it actually happened.
Again you got caught lying.
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't think I've ever argued that film Superman punched at super-speed when it wasn't implicitly shown via SFX, be it him moving at a blur or using slow-mo to illustrate what he's doing to viewer, or even heavily implied that he could. Hell, I don't even give him Faora's fighting speed, even though he should technically have it.I don't believe Whedon intended for us to believe Mjolnir was moving faster or as fast as a bullet in that scene. I believe the speed we see the hammer moving is the speed intended. As it and Hulk are CGI, they could have made it differently, it that were the intention.
That defies logic though. how would superman only be able to punch at human level speeds? To me, it's a common theme in movies for us to see things we likely shouldn't. I take the side of superman should clearly be able to fight at faster speeds than human level perception. My view is, logic tells me he can, and he likely was in those scenes. However, much like in other movies, the director wants us to see the fights.. we pay to see the fights. If he did everything at real time or real speed we'd see nothing. A prefect example of this is superman flying. We VISUALLY see him flying and can perceive it. Normal humans in the movie even can perceive it as we're shown. Yet we know, if he's really flying as fast as he should be going.. we'd see nothing or a blur. Yet in almost his flight scenes we see him flying very clearly. By the logic of only going by what we visually see, he's vastly slower than a bullet. Which again, is my point, what they want us to see isn't always real time.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hulk was injured by Hulkbuster's punches, I believe it's within reason Faora's Kryptonian strength (eg easily tearing Kryptonian ship metal) will both harm and wear down Hulk in time.I'd say giving her strength, she could potentially wrestle out of Hulk's grip, should he be able to grab her in the first place, which considering her speed and martial prowess, will not be easy.
Nam would be an easier target, but he's not going down easily and he's strong enough to casually throw a train engine. We've seem them fight smart, when tag-teaming Superman.
I like KT's "idea" that Hulk fights smart, but the Kryptonians don't😂
Such blatant lies and bias and misrepresenting
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That defies logic though. how would superman only be able to punch at human level speeds? To me, it's a common theme in movies for us to see things we likely shouldn't. I take the side of superman should clearly be able to fight at faster speeds than human level perception. My view is, logic tells me he can, and he likely was in those scenes. However, much like in other movies, the director wants us to see the fights.. we pay to see the fights. If he did everything at real time or real speed we'd see nothing. A prefect example of this is superman flying. We VISUALLY see him flying and can perceive it. Normal humans in the movie even can perceive it as we're shown. Yet we know, if he's really flying as fast as he should be going.. we'd see nothing or a blur. Yet in almost his flight scenes we see him flying very clearly. By the logic of only going by what we visually see, he's vastly slower than a bullet. Which again, is my point, what they want us to see isn't always real time.
Prove the hammer was moving at 2500 feet per second which the the average speed of a bullet.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And you think those are the same people? 😂After being punched in the face and hurled into a pile of dead meat and then a missile torching the whole area?
The clip you posted doesn't even have her putting them all down..the clip you posted is before she took the soldiers down.
Nice of you to ignore the clip I posted of her one shotting them all, and you post a clip of them before it actually happened.
Again you got caught lying.
Here we go again, clownshoes maneuver 101. You posted showing NOTHING of what I referenced. You were proven false again actually. The clip I posted does show their faces. You don't see their faces when she one shots...YOU DO see some of their faces in the CLIPS I POSTED. Those were the same soldiers going after her. Look at the time stamps. Look at the one gentleman who's face you can clearly see.. pudgy white dude..... She then disposes of them. Then fast forward to the clip of him coming from behind the train and them pointing guns at superman. Looks like the same face. I'm unclear if this is a reading comprehension issue or what is going on here. You clips was pitifully bad, and didn't even reference the scenes I posted, yet in a clownshoes maneuver, you go... look I the clip I posted you don't see them LOL. jesus.