Hulk vs. Faora/Nam-Ek

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Recheck my numbers? Name one person in the thread that agrees with you besides Quan.

You explicitly proved your own post wrong. You said NOONE agrees with me. That was blatantly false, just as my post illustrated. The new gentleman, John M, also could see Hulk winning. Froth, said it's possible for Hulk to win based on Mask exploitation, said this was a good point and it was possible. He also says, he'd likely still give the team the win, but it wasn't a blanket disagreement with me. That is only what I can remember, but it's still more than the zero you claimed.

Like you claimed Thors hammer was moving at some awesome speed and that proved he could beat faora by catching a slow moving hammer?

Back to your old tricks as usual, take everything everyone else says like a surgical strike while vastly exaggerating your own claims.

He could never put down Thor, or Hulkbuster and couldn't even KO Loki who wasn't even trying to fight back.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thor's hammer toss means he is moving faster then Faora..what on earth are you smoking?? The hammer was't moving at bullet speed, it was barely moving at anything that would be called super speed.

So you are lying as usual..how about you stop lying and start debating off facts.

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Wasn't moving at bullet speed even... based on what are you claiming this? Prove it. I'm going to love watch this. Before you even try and talk about how it looks... I'd be careful with that line of logic... I'll then easily counter said faulty logic and post clips of Superman vs. Faora, Nam and Zod.. Clearly demonstrating they were mostly punching at human level speed. This is especially true in the Zod vs. Superman fight. We see humans perceiving the fight just fine. They "appeared" to be fighting at human level speed. I've often sided with they were most likely moving much faster than human level speed. The director wants us to see the action, thus he's going to show the fight and punches. If he did it at real speed, we'd see nothing. Now, by all means, dig your Superman grave here and tell me the Thor hammer "appeared" to be moving slower than a bullet... ready set go

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Further, we know Thor can throw his hammer at light speed.

Prove he can throw his hammer at light speed.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Like you claimed Thors hammer was moving at some awesome speed and that proved he could beat faora by catching a slow moving hammer?

Back to your old tricks as usual, take everything everyone else says like a surgical strike while vastly exaggerating your own claims.

He could never put down Thor, or Hulkbuster and couldn't even KO Loki who wasn't even trying to fight back.

Actually if you read my post, I was VERY clear. Thor has been shown, in the movies, to be able to throw his hammer incredibly fast. In comics, he can throw his hammer at lightspeed. What I said is, Thor has been shown to be able to throw his hammer at great speed, NOW let's say it was far slower than that, it would still be faster than Faora was moving against those soldiers. That is what I said. I never quantified it, and I even said it could be far less than lightspeed, and it's still faster than Faora was moving.

Prove he throws it faster then bullets. Acting like that throw is faster then Faora's reactions is laughable. You just lost.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wasn't moving at bullet speed even... based on what are you claiming this? Prove it. I'm going to love watch this. Before you even try and talk about how it looks... I'd be careful with that line of logic... I'll then easily counter said faulty logic and post clips of Superman vs. Faora, Nam and Zod.. Clearly demonstrating they were mostly punching at human level speed. This is especially true in the Zod vs. Superman fight. We see humans perceiving the fight just fine. They "appeared" to be fighting at human level speed. I've often sided with they were most likely moving much faster than human level speed. The director wants us to see the action, thus he's going to show the fight and punches. If he did it at real speed, we'd see nothing. Now, by all means, dig your Superman grave here and tell me the Thor hammer "appeared" to be moving slower than a bullet... ready set go

Still waiting on you to prove this claim. How do you want this? Please tell me it "appears" to be moving slower than a bullet as you claimed.

Because of the time it took to go from thor to hulk.

Proved👆

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Prove he throws it faster then bullets. Acting like that throw is faster then Faora's reactions is laughable. You just lost.

You made the claim it was slower than a bullet... I'm waiting for your proof.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Because of the time it took to go from thor to hulk.

Proved👆

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thor's hammer toss means he is moving faster then Faora..what on earth are you smoking?? The hammer was't moving at bullet speed, it was barely moving at anything that would be called super speed.

So you are lying as usual..how about you stop lying and start debating off facts.

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This was your claim. Now prove it was moving slower than a bullet and was at NOTHING we'd call super speed as you claim

Because of the time it took to go from thor to hulk.

Proved👆

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Cool, then Superman fights at human level speed. See how that works. I've have tons of clips showing him punching like a normal human would and normal human speed. So you're saying what it appears to be to the viewing audience is what we go by. Cool. I told you this wouldn't go well for your favorite character.

Further, by your own logic here, you're claiming Ozy does in fact beat WS based on speed. I agree.

You made the claim that hammer toss was faster then a bullet, its on your to prove it.

Cap is my favorite character, are we talking about Captain America here?

Incorrect, let me explain how debating works, if I make a claim I can either support said claim with evidence or I don't. Now, if you DISPUTE said claim, and make a claim about what it is REALLY showing, than that part is up to YOU to prove.

1. I claim it was moving at this speed - needs proof
2. You claim no it was moving slower than a bullet - needs proof

There is this common misconception that only the first needs to be proven, that is blatantly false. It would be like me claiming the death penalty is more costly than just keeping them in jail forever. That is something I would need numbers for to try and prove it. If they opposing side goes, no, it's actually more costing to keep them in jail than to execute them... So that is still your argument to prove.

So tell me, what proof do you have that it was moving slower than a bullet?

Screen feats.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Problem is, he's shown he can react to speed. If he can perceive it, then he can react to it. It can be moving in all directions, if he can perceive it, he can perceive it. Also, we'd still be left with how faora has shown to use her speed. In almost every instance, it was direct line speed. It wasn't moving all over the place at a target. The biggest thing here, that can't be gotten around is, Faora has an exploitable weakness and Hulk will have zero issue causing damage to the mask. Once he gets a hold of her, it's loki treatment time.

I'm not saying he'd absolutely unable to hit her, it's just going to be hard and he'll he taking a lot more hits, wearing him down.

I'd also argue that just because Hulk was able to ragdoll Loki, doesn't mean he'll be able to do the same to Faora. She's stronger than Loki.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Screen feats.

So you can't prove your claim that it was moving slower than a bullet. Cool

Screen feats prove that the distance it traveled and time it took, it was moving slower then 2500 feet per second. Way slower.

Now prove it was moving faster the 2500 fps.👆

Come on, dude. We can easily see the hammer flipping end-over-end, it's clearly not moving like a bullet, even a slower bullet.