Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That defies logic though. how would superman only be able to punch at human level speeds? To me, it's a common theme in movies for us to see things we likely shouldn't. I take the side of superman should clearly be able to fight at faster speeds than human level perception. My view is, logic tells me he can, and he likely was in those scenes. However, much like in other movies, the director wants us to see the fights.. we pay to see the fights. If he did everything at real time or real speed we'd see nothing. A prefect example of this is superman flying. We VISUALLY see him flying and can perceive it. Normal humans in the movie even can perceive it as we're shown. Yet we know, if he's really flying as fast as he should be going.. we'd see nothing or a blur. Yet in almost his flight scenes we see him flying very clearly. By the logic of only going by what we visually see, he's vastly slower than a bullet. Which again, is my point, what they want us to see isn't always real time.
Not the first time a superhero doesn't perform at maximum potential for 'reasons'; Superman is one of the greatest offenders of CIS/PIS use of powers. But PIS/CIS normally doesn't translate to MVF matches, characters fight at maximum shown potential.
But that crapfest BvS did shown Superman reacting at superhuman speeds with his hands, when he easily caught Bat's K-grenade at a close distance.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hulk was injured by Hulkbuster's punches, I believe it's within reason Faora's Kryptonian strength (eg easily tearing Kryptonian ship metal) will both harm and wear down Hulk in time.I'd say giving her strength, she could potentially wrestle out of Hulk's grip, should he be able to grab her in the first place, which considering her speed and martial prowess, will not be easy.
Nam would be an easier target, but he's not going down easily and he's strong enough to casually throw a train engine. We've seem them fight smart, when tag-teaming Superman.
Right, and superman was able to destroy her mask by rushing into her. I'd say Hulk can generate just as much force with a punch if not more. Once the mask was exploited, a mere missile KO'd her.
I don't think he'll think her punches tickle by any means.. if given enough time, she could likely put him down. However, considering how she fights, she's going right at Hulk, and imo that is suicide for her. She can power out of the grip, but it's much more plausible she couldn't.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not the first time a superhero doesn't perform at maximum potential for 'reasons'; Superman is one of the greatest offenders of CIS/PIS use of powers. But PIS/CIS normally doesn't translate to MVF matches, characters fight at maximum shown potential.But that crapfest BvS did shown Superman reacting at superhuman speeds with his hands, when he easily caught Bat's K-grenade at a close distance.
I understand, but again, we see Superman flying... humans see him clearly flying. Thus proving the director wasn't concerned about making it visually represent what it would look like correct? So if he doesn't do it in many instances of flight... why is it far fetched to believe he also wanted us to see the fights, but it was moving faster than human level speed?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I understand, but again, we see Superman flying... humans see him clearly flying. Thus proving the director wasn't concerned about making it visually represent what it would look like correct? So if he doesn't do it in many instances of flight... why is it far fetched to believe he also wanted us to see the fights, but it was moving faster than human level speed?
So Faora and Namek can't fight the same way against Hulk, regardless of screen showings proving they know how to fight together.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
However, considering how she fights, she's going right at Hulk, and imo that is suicide for her.
"Faora going after Hulk is not a smart way to fight"😂
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Caught you in a lie, now you mad. The clip you posted is before the fight. End of story.
Before the fight LMAO... Those were the SAME people she KO'd a short time later. Or did you not see the movie? I accept your concession in full. You posted the wrong clip, I posted the correct one showing what I was saying. You then covered up your eyes and ears and go... "That was before the fight" LOL WUT??? haha. She it was, and the she one shot them.. and then we see that same guy later pointing a gun a superman. Nice try though
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right, and superman was able to destroy her mask by rushing into her. I'd say Hulk can generate just as much force with a punch if not more. Once the mask was exploited, a mere missile KO'd her.I don't think he'll think her punches tickle by any means.. if given enough time, she could likely put him down. However, considering how she fights, she's going right at Hulk, and imo that is suicide for her. She can power out of the grip, but it's much more plausible she couldn't.
IIRC, the mask took several hits throughout the battle and was finally damaged when Superman slammed her face-first into the concrete.
Thing about the battle-masks (I covered this before using screen shots), they have three settings, fully-armoured (like we see Nam), partially-armoured (we see Faora using this at the farmhouse) and full-visual(clear). When Faora's was damaged, it was in its most vulnerable position, clear.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIs this paragraph supposed to make sense ?
Before the fight LMAO... Those were the SAME people she KO'd a short time later. Or did you not see the movie? I accept your concession in full. You posted the wrong clip, I posted the correct one showing what I was saying. You then covered up your eyes and ears and go... "That was before the fight" LOL WUT??? haha. She it was, and the she one shot them.. and then we see that same guy later pointing a gun a superman. Nice try though
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Before the fight LMAO... Those were the SAME people she KO'd a short time later. Or did you not see the movie? I accept your concession in full. You posted the wrong clip, I posted the correct one showing what I was saying. You then covered up your eyes and ears and go... "That was before the fight" LOL WUT??? haha. She it was, and the she one shot them.. and then we see that same guy later pointing a gun a superman. Nice try though
When you have to resort to I accept your concession already, its you who has conceded. You posted the clip of them getting off the chopper. That was before the fight.👆
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where do we see this? Or another one of your lies?
No one is getting up from this. Also regardless of them being human or not, that is super speed.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So Faora and Namek can't fight the same way against Hulk, regardless of screen showings proving they know how to fight together."Faora going after Hulk is not a smart way to fight"😂
Of course they can, but I don't think that is a smart idea... They just tried to rush Superman and overwhelm him. I don't think that is a great tactic against Hulk no. I don't even think it was a good tactic against superman. They should've fought smart. Let Nam and Superman go at it.. Faora just comes in here and there to tip the scales. They weren't using their numbers as well as they could have... nor did she use her speed like she was earlier. I'd give them marginal marks as a team. It wasn't horrible, they got the job done in some respects, but it wasn't the benchmark for fighting smart like you seem to believe.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No one is getting up from this.
Odd, because in the clip I posted, we SEE the men who go to attack her... Then we later see one of them pointing a gun at superman later. clearly indicating he did get up from that. Whether it makes sense or not, that is what we see.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNothing in this paragraph is evidentiary based and just your opinion. This isn't debating, Abe.
Of course they can, but I don't think that is a smart idea... They just tried to rush Superman and overwhelm him. I don't think that is a great tactic against Hulk no. I don't even think it was a good tactic against superman. They should've fought smart. Let Nam and Superman go at it.. Faora just comes in here and there to tip the scales. They weren't using their numbers as well as they could have... nor did she use her speed like she was earlier. I'd give them marginal marks as a team. It wasn't horrible, they got the job done in some respects, but it wasn't the benchmark for fighting smart like you seem to believe.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Odd, because in the clip I posted, we SEE the men who go to attack her... Then we later see one of them pointing a gun at superman later. clearly indicating he did get up from that. Whether it makes sense or not, that is what we see.
The clip you posted is before she attacked them..you are assuming its the same people in the later scene. So she has enough power to punch through concrete, but when she punches humans in the face, it doesn't do anything?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When you have to resort to I accept your concession already, its you who has conceded. You posted the clip of them getting off the chopper. That was before the fight.👆
Do you honestly know how you look? Nobody is saying that wasn't before the fight... LOL. This is painful sometimes. It was before the fight, then those SAME people go to attack faora and get one shot. So it's entirely relevant and doesn't matter if it was before the fight. They were the same people later shown being one shot.
No, you know it's bad when you post the wrong clip and then claim victory in posting the wrong clip. That is losing the argument 101