Well. Luceno seems to have dissapeared off the face of the Earth.
Next best thing but I'll continue digging.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66It is dear, you appeal to common sense yet ignore that the same reasoning would lead us to believe that the author bungled the dates. Hence why nobody takes this seriously. Or in other words an unreasonable stance warrants an equally unreasonable explanation.
This is not a rebuttal.
You have to prove that the Force created Anakin Skywalker due to this shift, because it could have easily been the shift that took place with Palpatine's ascension, which was even greater.Rather shooting yourself in the foot here considering your argument is predicated on the idea that the ritual taking place after Anakin's birth excludes it from being responsible.
I'll take this as a concession that the dating is in fact, irrelevant, which leaves you only with the defense that it's nowhere explicitly and objectively stated that the ritual was responsible.
Regardless, Anakin was born within far closer proximity to the shift that the one caused by Sidious almost a decade later. And while his ascension seemingly went unchallenged, the Force directly thwarted Plagueis attempts at midi-chlorian manipulation, or rather to subvert the natural order, which was responsible for the imbalance in the first place.
The heavy-handed foreshadowing inserted by the author only adds further credence to the ritual being the most likely cause of this event.
The latter is more supported with other sources since the imbalance ultimately went away with the death of Palpatine. It only grew stronger with the death of Darth Plagueis.No that only proves Sidious was powerful enough to sustain the imbalance, of which he was partly responsible for.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Well. Luceno seems to have dissapeared off the face of the Earth.Next best thing but I'll continue digging.
Anakin was the imbalance????
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Rather shooting yourself in the foot here considering your argument is predicated on the idea that the ritual taking place after Anakin's birth excludes it from being responsible.I'll take this as a concession that the dating is in fact, irrelevant, which leaves you only with the defense that it's nowhere explicitly and objectively stated that the ritual was responsible.
Regardless, Anakin was born within far closer proximity to the shift that the one caused by Sidious almost a decade later. And while his ascension seemingly went unchallenged, the Force directly thwarted Plagueis attempts at midi-chlorian manipulation, or rather to subvert the natural order, which was responsible for the imbalance in the first place.
I've already addressed this.
Under the basis that you concede the birth happened before, nothing states that the Force then anticipated the move and produced Anakin Skywalker as a response to it before it happened. Darth Plagueis and Palpatine certainly did not. Thus, your argument that it was the meditation that brought about the birth is complete and utter speculation, and so it can't be used in debates to prove Darth Plagueis' superiority to any character.
If you refer to what Pablo said, it's entirely possible they never even unbalanced the Force, and instead it was Anakin Skywalker's growing power that did.
In other words, it's fine if you believe that, but it's not even 0.01% canon, so you can't use it anywhere but your head.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Wow, this is really becoming pathetic.
I've already addressed this.Under the basis that you concede the birth happened before, nothing states that the Force then anticipated the move and produced Anakin Skywalker as a response to it before it happened. Darth Plagueis and Palpatine certainly did not. Thus, your argument that it was the meditation that brought about the birth is complete and utter speculation, and so it can't be used in debates to prove Darth Plagueis' superiority to any character.
If you refer to what Pablo said, it's entirely possible they never even unbalanced the Force, and instead it was Anakin Skywalker's growing power that did.
In other words, it's fine if you believe that, but it's not even 0.01% canon, so you can't use it anywhere but your head.
But if your abandoning all attempt to explain the reason for Anakin's birth to hide behind your "math" instead let's look at the Prophecy of the Chosen One, accounts of which are explicit and unanimous in the idea that this being was destined to bring balance to the Force. SW.com confirming its legitimacy.
So we can be certain that the Force chose to create Anakin in order to restore balance in a time of great imbalance. And we can also be certain that this was an imbalance Plagueis was instrumental in causing considering the ritual is stated to have caused a "tip irrevocably to the dark side", "a tangible alteration that could be felt by anyone strong in the Force". Or otherwise Plagueis is in part directly responsible for Anakin's birth - as we've all know to be the case sine 2012 lmao.
As for where Pablo says the Sith never unbalanced the Force (LMFAO), I'm not seeing it.
But please, continue to give us further reason to laugh at you.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Wow, this is really becoming pathetic.But if your abandoning all attempt to explain the reason for Anakin's birth to hide behind your "math" instead let's look at the Prophecy of the Chosen One, accounts of which are explicit and unanimous in the idea that this being was destined to bring balance to the Force. SW.com confirming its legitimacy.
So we can be certain that the Force chose to create Anakin in order to restore balance in a time of great imbalance. And we can also be certain that this was an imbalance Plagueis was instrumental in causing considering the ritual is stated to have caused a "tip irrevocably to the dark side", "a tangible alteration that could be felt by anyone strong in the Force". Or otherwise Plagueis is in part directly responsible for Anakin's birth - as we've all know to be the case sine 2012 lmao.
Obviously the Chosen One is to restore balance, but that doesn't mean that the Chosen One himself isn't the ultimate unbalance. Under the basis that the Chosen One was born prior to the event happening, and that he is the ultimate unbalance, there's no proof that the ritual caused anything at all. Darth Plagueis and Palpatine mused their actions must have caused the shift, but as Pablo states, in reality it might have been Anakin Skywalker's growing power.
However, that's beside the point. Another imbalance is found with Palpatine's ascension. Another imbalance with the start of the Clone Wars. Another imbalance with the rise of the Galactic Empire. Another imbalance with Palpatine's mere dark side influence. The Force could have triggered Anakin Skywalker's birth for any of these events. The fact it was the closest to the one event doesn't mean that's why it happened. It would be pointless to create Anakin Skywalker a year prior to the meditation happening. There's nothing he can do about it. However, there is reason to create Anakin Skywalker so that he will be around to combat the growing imbalance caused by Palpatine's ascension, the Clone Wars, and the rise of the Galactic Empire, since he's fully present during these events.
You're really giving it your all, but I'm ultimately just ten times greater than you.
Originally posted by Nephthys
ShootMyNova just posted a link of Pablo saying Anakin was the imbalance in the Force.
RIP Darth Plagueis Brigade. 😂
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Do you read what I just stated?Obviously the Chosen One is to restore balance, but that doesn't mean that the Chosen One himself isn't the ultimate unbalance. Under the basis that the Chosen One was born prior to the event happening, and that he is the ultimate unbalance, there's no proof that the ritual caused anything at all. Darth Plagueis and Palpatine mused their actions must have caused the shift, but as Pablo states, in reality it might have been Anakin Skywalker's growing power.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
As for where Pablo says the Sith never unbalanced the Force (LMFAO), I'm not seeing it.But please, continue to give us further reason to laugh at you.
However, that's beside the point. Another imbalance is found with Palpatine's ascension.Obviously the Force was responding to the sum of Palpatine and Plagueis' threat, but I'd give Plagueis considerable credence nonetheless, especially considering he attempted not only to unbalance the Force, but achieve sovereignty over it.
Another imbalance with the start of the Clone Wars.Proof?
Another imbalance with the rise of the Galactic Empire.Proof?
Another imbalance with Palpatine's mere dark side influence.You've already said that.
The Force could have triggered Anakin Skywalker's birth for any of these events.Or the sum of two only existing ones, Plagueis and Palpatine's combined threat to the Force.
The fact it was the closest to the one event doesn't mean that's why it happened. It would be pointless to create Anakin Skywalker a year prior to the meditation happening. There's nothing he can do about it. However, there is reason to create Anakin Skywalker so that he will be around to combat the growing imbalance caused by Palpatine's ascension, the Clone Wars, and the rise of the Galactic Empire, since he's fully present during these events.He was a child when Palpatine essentially solidified the dark side's complete and total grip over the galaxy. It's obvious that the Chosen One was created to cut the Sith down as they reached the peak of their power, as opposed to preventing their rise in the first place.
Regardless the Force is ultimately not a sentient being, but rather a force of nature. Or otherwise when the Force is made to zig, it zags in instinctive response, proximity therefore is absolutely of significance when discussing what ultimately triggered the Force into action.
Acknowledged, obviously the Force was responding to the sum of Palpatine and Plagueis' threat, but I'd give Plagueis considerable credence nonetheless, especially considering he attempted not only to unbalance the Force, but achieve sovereignty over it.
There's no indication that the Force responded to any threat posed by Plagueis besides your speculation.
Proof?
It's Legends. 👆
Proof
You've already said that.
And it stands firm.
It's obvious that the Chosen One was created to cut the Sith down as they reached the peak of their power, as opposed to preventing their rise in the first place.
Damn, so you just debunked your own argument.
If the Chosen One was created to cut down the Sith at the peak of their power, he would have been created to combat the Galactic Empire, which is the pinnacle of the galaxy's dark side influence over the galaxy.
And that's exactly what he did. 👆
