Revan and the Unbalancing of the Galaxy Feat

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

There's no indication that the Force responded to any threat posed by Plagueis besides your speculation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvJiunochio&t=0m25s

It's Legends. 👆

The entire Jedi Order was destroyed and the Sith assumed control over the galaxy.

Damn, so you just debunked your own argument.

If the Chosen One was created to cut down the Sith at the peak of their power, he would have been created to combat the Galactic Empire, which is the pinnacle of the galaxy's dark side influence over the galaxy.

And that's exactly what he did. 👆

Regardless the Force is ultimately not a sentient being, but rather a force of nature. Or otherwise when the Force is made to zig, it zags in instinctive response, proximity therefore is absolutely of significance when discussing what ultimately triggered the Force into action.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ant-sama thought I did good....

@Beniboybling: I'm not seeing the point of this discussion.

Do you have proof that it was Darth Plagueis' meditation war that caused Anakin Skywalker's birth?

The answer is no.

Do you have speculation that it was Darth Plagueis' meditation war that caused Anakin Skywalker's birth?

You may, but since it's just speculation, no one really cares. I have speculation too, by the way.

There's nothing further to discuss.

- You conceded Anakin Skywalker was born prior to the meditation.

- You conceded there is no proof that the meditation birthed Anakin Skywalker.

All you can provide is, well, nothing. The ability to post isn't a rebuttal. 👆

And I'm not seeing the point in choosing to ignore my argument in exchange for fabricating false concessions.

This really is pathetic.

You haven't raised an argument, just speculation.

It really is. 👆

OK dear, I accept ur concession and all.

I already rebutted your point by making note of the possibility it was referring to countless other events.

You have yet to prove it was due to the meditation besides... nothing.

You provided a list of possibilities yes. But the only ones that hold water are those that pertain to Palpatine's cosmological threat to the Force. That doesn't disprove my case that the Chosen One was created to counter Plagueis' and Palpatine's combined threat at all.

Instead, as long as the fact remains that Plagueis was indeed instrumental in causing this imbalance, actions that took place in close proximity to the conception of the being in question, he will remain instrumental to the birth instigated to correct that imbalance.

Because that is how cause and effect works. 👆

Your case is non-existent. And no, they all hold water.

Also, I see you likewise concede that the meditation had nothing to do with it?

You seem to be more keen on proving Plagueis' influence than the specific meditation.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Your case is non-existent. And no, they all hold water.

Also, I see you likewise concede that the meditation had nothing to do with it?

You seem to be more keen on proving Plagueis' influence than the specific meditation.

There's nothing to rebut. I don't need to respond to speculation, since speculation has no credibility anyway.

There's no proof that Darth Plagueis's meditation had anything whatsoever to do with Anakin Skywalker's birth.

That is a fact.

Anything you can state is speculation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
OK dear, I accept ur concession and all.

There's nothing to accept. Everything I have stated are facts.

Repeatedly stating my point is speculative and proofless does not make it so, and until you can substantiate why this is the case it is a hollow claim, and we simply return to the above, your concession. 👆

Laughable. Although I wouldn't expect much better from someone as disgusting as you.

Everything you have stated thus far, in case you haven't noticed, is not stated in any canonical material.

Nothing states that Anakin Skywalker was conceived as the Force anticipating DP and DS's meditation war.

Thus, it is speculation. It is that simple, and yet that absolute.

It is up to you (lmfao, you know the DPB is ****ed when they need an ISIS member) to *prove* your case.

I'm going to spell this out very plainly, because it's clear to me you're on the verge of imploding, if you haven't already.

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It is a FACT that Anakin was conceived to counter the imbalance in the Force.

It is a FACT that Plagueis was instrumental in causing said imbalance.

It is therefore, through deductive reasoning, a FACT that Plagueis was instrumental in causing the conception of Anakin.

Cause an effect. Plagueis + other factors = imbalance *caused* Anakin.

Your total inability to rebut my reasoning making your concession factual as well. 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It is a FACT that Plagueis was instrumental in causing said imbalance.

Keep trying.

All that mattered was that, almost a decade earlier, they had succeeded in willing the Force to shift and tip irrevocably to the dark side. Not a mere paradigm shift, but a tangible alteration that could be felt by anyone strong in the Force, and whether or not trained in the Sith or Jedi arts.

In what amounted to a state of rapture they knew that the Force had yielded, as if some deity had been tipped from its throne. On the fulcrum they had fashioned, the light side had dipped and the dark side had ascended.

Regardless, eight long years later, Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn. The dark side of the Force was theirs to command, and in partnership they would someday be able to keep each other alive, and to rule the galaxy for as long as they saw fit.

To be sure, the light had been extinguished, but for how long and at what cost?

👇 The sources you cited are from Darth Plagueis himself. There's no proof that his meditation was the source of the shift rather than Anakin Skywalker's growth.

That being stated, you also haven't proved Skywalker's creation is this rather than Palpatine's ascension or the various other Force disturbances.

Keep trying.

A moot point until you can provide some reason for us to doubt Plagueis' perspective. Or explain why the tangible results were somehow just coincidences.

And none of that is mutually exclusive, they are mere increments on a preexisting imbalance, all of which were responsible for Anakin.

Try again indeed.