Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Want to debate this Thor? 😛
Sure. Which part are you arguing? I guess I can see a case for LEGENDS Ventress winning the Force going by her OCW feats. But apart from that, she was always below Kenobi and AOTC Anakin. Heck she was below Grievous. Hence she's solidly below Maul.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sure. Which part are you arguing? I guess I can see a case for LEGENDS Ventress winning the Force going by her OCW feats. But apart from that, she was always below Kenobi and AOTC Anakin. Heck she was below Grievous. Hence she's solidly below Maul.
Maul ragdolling the 7th Sister as a casual exercise for Ezra is kind of impressive, she was holding back the Phantom alongside the 5th Brother.
You realize he doesn't retain the physical strength or skill he had by Rebels?
And that if we're to consider his prime as of SoD Rebels Ventress already matched him for the time it took for Obi Wan to get around Savage and open the escape pod's hatch. With a single blade after having very little time to adjust I might add.
Then there's their comparative performances against Grievous where Ventress is the clear superior.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Not to mention if you're going to claim TPM Maul matched Jinn and Obi Wan when he was giving ground constantly then I can claim the same for Ventress in regards to Anakin and Obi Wan. Another unfavorable comparison for you.
Maul leered again at Qui-Gon. You think you're driving me back. You have no idea that I'm in control. You don't know where I'm taking you.
Maul appeared able to orchestrate the fight in a no-holds-barred struggle to the death. Supple and quick, he fought with a confidence and ease that threatened to eclipse the skills of the two Jedi.
Evidence suggests that Maul purposefully gave ground to the duo, so I wouldn't count that against him.
Originally posted by Solar Power
Source: The Wrath of Darth MaulSource: Star Wars Fact File 001
Evidence suggests that Maul purposefully gave ground to the duo, so I wouldn't count that against him.
Yes. That's when he's alone with Jinn where it blatantly makes note Maul is luring him in. I never claimed he wasn't superior to Jinn. I'm referring to Obi Wan and Jinn who Maul knew he'd need to separate to defeat.
Where's the evidence that he purposefully gave ground to both Obi Wan and Jinn?
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You realize he doesn't retain the physical strength or skill he had by Rebels?
Well okay, if you want to go there, I can't really prove his level of physicality as at Rebels, but he was Ahsoka level in acrobatics at least, and still has those mechanical legs.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And that if we're to consider his prime as of SoD Rebels Ventress already matched him for the time it took for Obi Wan to get around Savage and open the escape pod's hatch. With a single blade after having very little time to adjust I might add.
Ventress didn't fight SOD Maul. She only fought "Revenge" Maul, and too briefly to draw any kind of conclusion from.
Maul was also using a single blade (his preferred weapon the last time he fought was the Saber staff), without even a full handle. He also didn't have time to adjust to his new weapon (heck he didn't have time to get back into Saber fighting period). But At least Ventress's weapon was her own weapon that she uses all the time. Maul's weapon had been cut.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Then there's their comparative performances against Grievous where Ventress is the clear superior.
Maul fought a far better trained Grievous. In any case, I don't see how Ventress's performance was clearly superior.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Not to mention if you're going to claim TPM Maul matched Jinn and Obi Wan when he was giving ground constantly then I can claim the same for Ventress in regards to Anakin and Obi Wan. Another unfavorable comparison for you.
Maul was voluntarily giving ground. TPM Novel confirms he was a match for both combatants (even if that isn't strictly Canon now, it's still the closest thing we have to a Canon commentary on that fight).
Ventress just fought off Anakin and Obi-Wan, and was never truly a match for each of them individually, let alone both of them combined.
Also so far you seem to be discussing Canon Ventress, not Legends Ventress. Ventress is definitely no match for Maul in Canon. Aside from me not being able to prove Rebels Maul physical level, but I don't see any clear evidence it's deteriorated.