Originally posted by Zack M
He's fast enough to easily do it.
He is and he isn't. Spiderman can simply do more things than Midnighter. He has him on nearly every front. He could gum up his feet eventually slowing him down, The movement, strength, reach, agility (due to tactile abilities) all go to Spiderman. Midnighter is a more technical fighter in one respect, but it means nothing at larger distances.
He's going to wind up getting his face and head macked up.
http://i.imgur.com/u9WnUxc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c2aCsJy.jpg
This shows his agility, and that he can be caught.
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-57f0953203113b6a760bef17a60b98f7?convert_to_webp=true
Originally posted by Stoic
He is and he isn't. Spiderman can simply do more things than Midnighter. He has him on nearly every front. He could gum up his feet eventually slowing him down, The movement, strength, reach, agility (due to tactile abilities) all go to Spiderman. Midnighter is a more technical fighter in one respect, but it means nothing at larger distances.He's going to wind up getting his face and head macked up.
I respect Spidey, but he's outmatched. Mids battle computer will give him the edge and he has the stats to compete.
Originally posted by Stoic
http://i.imgur.com/u9WnUxc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c2aCsJy.jpgThis shows his agility, and that he can be caught.
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-57f0953203113b6a760bef17a60b98f7?convert_to_webp=true
Problem is that computer.
Mids will make him dance around, forcing him to jump where he wants him to jump. And will be hitting him. That Spidey Sense will be working against him.
Spider-Man is a badass not only physically but very smart good at using his environment in a fight. Spider-Man has dodged gun fire and laser fire his reaction time is superior to gun fire which is what between 900-2000 feet per second. Does Midnighter's agility and reflexes match his computing speed?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here's how I see the various 'precogs' and so on (I know Fantomex isn't...).Let's say I am thinking of a number, and am about to hold that number of fingers up, triggering a trap. If it is even, the trap springs, if odd, it wouldn't.
[b]Spidey
will know if it is odd or even. Some extreme outliers may even be able to tell me how many fingers I am about to hold up - but they are extreme. Mostly, it will warn him if the trap is going to be triggered.Mr X will read my neural impulses, and know how many fingers I am going to hold up before I hold them up. IOW, he would have more warning .
Midnighter can't really read the future. All he knows is, he wants me to hold an odd number of fingers up. So he shoots my fingers off, leaving my index finger. Forcing me to hold an odd number of fingers up.
Fantomex will make me think I've held two fingers up and triggered the trap, when really I'm lying in a pool of my own blood.
That's the difference between all of them. [/B]
i mostly agree with spidey--only one of the options would indicate danger so he would know which was held up, but not UNTIL it was held up...then he is the fastest on the list and so can react to whatever the danger is most quickly.
x sounds reasonable. cassie would do likewise.
i don't agree with nighter--nighter wouldn't care which option was held up because his computer would already have run 1000s of solutions to BOTH scenarios. nighter would then simply follow the computer's plan depending on what happened. at least authority nighter would have. but i thought there was something about purely random situations that were impossible to compute though at one point. maybe digi knows. if dcnu nighter works differently then you may very well be right.
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Originally posted by leonidas
i mostly agree with spidey--only one of the options would indicate danger so he would know which was held up, but not UNTIL it was held up...then he is the fastest on the list and so can react to whatever the danger is most quickly.x sounds reasonable. cassie would do likewise.
i don't agree with nighter--nighter wouldn't care which option was held up because his computer would already have run 1000s of solutions to BOTH scenarios. nighter would then simply follow the computer's plan depending on what happened. at least authority nighter would have. but i thought there was something about purely random situations that were impossible to compute though at one point. maybe digi knows. if dcnu nighter works differently then you may very well be right.
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DCnU Mids goes up against Deadshot. Runs millions of scenarios, to find the ONE outcome he likes - even if it means getting shot, just so he can get closer to Deadshot.
Then makes it happen.
IOW, he does whatever it takes to make sure the outcome where he walks away the winner, happens.
And in many, if not most cases, that should be enough.
Like Martian Manhunter proved, even the BC can't account for certain random factors. (And imo, there "should" be inwinnable scenario's, but listening to MN proponents it kind of sounds like he has Batman level luck keeping that from happening.
You know, like how Superman could have flash frozen Batman in every encounter, and just never does..)
However, this is what happens with Afterthought (the guy who can see 5 seconds into the future) when they had round 2:
https://s5.postimg.org/jwpf7v9qv/29_15.jpg
https://s5.postimg.org/5rjm620pj/29_16.jpg
He again forces the situation, to get hit where he wants to get hit. In this thread, Spidey will jump around and land where Midnighter wants him to land, punch where he wants to be punched etc etc. The BC doesn't predict the future - it tells him the steps needed to get to a winning conclusion.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DCnU Mids goes up against Deadshot. Runs millions of scenarios, to find the ONE outcome he likes - even if it means getting shot, just so he can get closer to Deadshot.Then makes it happen.
IOW, he does whatever it takes to make sure the outcome where he walks away the winner, happens.
i'd disagree with what you're saying happens there. he says there is ONLY one way to make lawton scream. that IS what he does--or rather his computer does. the computer runs millions of scenarios and comes up with solutions. if there IS only one, it finds it. had there been a 1000 ways to beat deadshot he would have chosen (most likely) the most EFFICIENT way to win and lured deadshot into the moves that his computer predicts are necessary to reach that end. same with your fingers scenario--his computer would have come up with scenarios that covered what if 1 OR 2 comes up and assigned solutions for either and he would act them out, choosing which scenario he wanted. sometimes, in the past, he would choose scenarios that were the most cruel, or especially cruel to reach an end he could have reached in a different way.
but yes, there are absolutely unwinnable scenarios. lock him in a room with superman and his computer wouldn't be able to figure out a way to win unless he had an effective weapon within reach. it's not no limits--he is restricted by his own physical limits, which is why, in a ring, with standard gear, i'd take spiderman more often than not in this. nighter would have nothing special to call into play but his own abilities and spidey outclasses him physically in every way. put them out in the open city and i think nighter has a better chance.
