Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DCnU Mids goes up against Deadshot. Runs millions of scenarios, to find the ONE outcome he likes - even if it means getting shot, just so he can get closer to Deadshot.Then makes it happen.
IOW, he does whatever it takes to make sure the outcome where he walks away the winner, happens.
Except that with Spidey, the durability edge goes way up beyond Deadshot's, as does the strength. Spiderman has feats that indicate that he wouldn't have even been hit by Deadshot. Spiderman is stronger than Midnighter, and far stronger still than Deadshot in every way, and has taken hits that would crush normal humans to signify damage that he has taken, or can take. Venom, Carnage are a lot stronger than Midnighter. Spiderman in this case would be the dominant physical specimen. Unless Midnighter can pick up train cars.
The Battle computer does not nullify the Spider sense. It wrestles against it, while Spiderman physically dominates him on every other front. Deadshot is no Spiderman.
Originally posted by Stoic
Except that with Spidey, the durability edge goes way up beyond Deadshot's, as does the strength. Spiderman has feats that indicate that he wouldn't have even been hit by Deadshot. Spiderman is stronger than Midnighter, and far stronger still than Deadshot in every way, and has taken hits that would crush normal humans to signify damage that he has taken, or can take. Venom, Carnage are a lot stronger than Midnighter. Spiderman in this case would be the dominant physical specimen. Unless Midnighter can pick up train cars.The Battle computer does not nullify the Spider sense. It wrestles against it, while Spiderman physically dominates him on every other front. Deadshot is no Spiderman.
Midnighter will find a weak point. He did so in Martian Manhunter, Apollo, and even staggered Etrigan the Demon. Spidey would be dead.
Originally posted by Zack M
Midnighter will find a weak point. He did so in Martian Manhunter, Apollo, and even staggered Etrigan the Demon. Spidey would be dead.
J'onn takes it because he's a masochist. There's no reason that J'onn should logically be defeated or even touched by a guy that he can mind rape while remaining intangible. Sell that to the guy up the street. Apollo wasn't going all out, and again doesn't fight like Spiderman. The same thing goes for Etrigan. The Hulk would beat the shit out of Etrigan if they ever came to blows. Firelord would give Etrigan a good fight.
Although the story was PIS, the in close beating that Spiderman gave to Firelord wasn't. He's not going to get the chance to find a weakness that would allow him to win against Spiderman, because Spiderman would be the one webbing his ass up, as he says I knew that you were going to do that as he gets macked up.
Originally posted by Stoic
J'onn takes it because he's a masochist. There's no reason that J'onn should logically be defeated or even touched by a guy that he can mind rape while remaining intangible. Sell that to the guy up the street. Apollo wasn't going all out, and again doesn't fight like Spiderman. The same thing goes for Etrigan. The Hulk would beat the shit out of Etrigan if they ever came to blows. Firelord would give Etrigan a good fight.Although the story was PIS, the in close beating that Spiderman gave to Firelord wasn't. He's not going to get the chance to find a weakness that would allow him to win against Spiderman, because Spiderman would be the one webbing his ass up, as he says I knew that you were going to do that as he gets macked up.
There is also nerve strikes, too. Spidey isn't going to survive this.
I don't see a way that Midnighter computer could find a way against that spidey sense b/c it'll just warn Pete of midnighter a plan. It'll just be a continuous chess game btwn those two abstract abilities with spidey edging out in spades on account of his superhuman strength, speed, reflexes, agility, reaction time, spiderfu which exists in current timeline and also a suit strong and durable enough to withstand re-entry from space. What makes spiderman good is that he's no one trick pony. A fight btwn him and deathstroke would also be good b/c he doesn't have a power ring to crush, or a voice box to disable. Spideys got too many variables
Originally posted by Scarlet315
I don't see a way that Midnighter computer could find a way against that spidey sense b/c it'll just warn Pete of midnighter a plan. It'll just be a continuous chess game btwn those two abstract abilities with spidey edging out in spades on account of his superhuman strength, speed, reflexes, agility, reaction time, spiderfu which exists in current timeline and also a suit strong and durable enough to withstand re-entry from space. What makes spiderman good is that he's no one trick pony. A fight btwn him and deathstroke would also be good b/c he doesn't have a power ring to crush, or a voice box to disable. Spideys got too many variables
His Spiderfu isn't more advance or better than Midnighter's. Midnighter is actually one of the best fighters on the planet. Spidey isn't. On top of that, Midnighter also has enhanced strength, speed, and agility. Not to mention the ability to find weak points, just like Karnak and Karate Kid.
Originally posted by Scarlet315
I don't see a way that Midnighter computer could find a way against that spidey sense b/c it'll just warn Pete of midnighter a plan. It'll just be a continuous chess game btwn those two abstract abilities with spidey edging out in spades on account of his superhuman strength, speed, reflexes, agility, reaction time, spiderfu which exists in current timeline and also a suit strong and durable enough to withstand re-entry from space. What makes spiderman good is that he's no one trick pony. A fight btwn him and deathstroke would also be good b/c he doesn't have a power ring to crush, or a voice box to disable. Spideys got too many variables
Forgot about the suit. It doesnt matter that much if Midnighter is a better martial artist, its no longer a weakness for Spidey. The ss being the equalizer it could come down to who's physical stats are better and Spidey gets that nod.