Originally posted by leonidas
he has the controls for the doors on his person. or he did anyway....maybe because nc leaves and returns instantly? spot varies his appearances and can attack from multiple places at the same time or at different times. maybe...?
pretty sure his spider sense helped him beat solo, who is also a teleporter, but can't recall the details.
Spidey's dealt with grids of lasers controlled by advanced computer targeting. He can do instant.
Was it stated Spidey can't deal with extra dimensional tp, or is it assumed? Because, I'll bet you there's far more examples of mooks hitting him (Especially in the kung fu fighting 70's-80's), and nobody says the SS doesn't work against non meta's/martial artist's.
Oh, are we allowing feats now?
Because OP said:
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't make this thread due to ft war because Midnighter doesn't compare at all to Spiderman in that scene. There's no competition at all if you did a ft war between the two. With hat said, let's focus on other things than that.
Besides, Mids too has dodged lasers. So....yeah.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Comparing spot to the doors is one hell of a stretch. The methods of attack arent the same. I dont remember it being stated as a rule that other dimensional threats dont register the Ss as Im sure hes faced his fair share of other dimensional threats.
Not comparing the two. It was a direct reply to Scarlet, who said that Spidey has dealt easily with the Spot. When in fact, he hasn't. Besides, the scan shows that if an extramidensional portal opens, Spidey cannot predict WHERE it's going to open, not just that an attack is coming through. Otherwise, predicting attacks is easy a phuck, lol. 'Hmm, a black hole is going to open here, as my Spidey sense has warned me, but it hasn't warned me what is going to come through, so I wouldn't do anything'.
Really, you guys are thinking too two dimensionally. THIS was originally how I envisaged a fight (not THE fight, but one way it can go down).
Ding, bell starts.
Midnighter starts spouting off. I'm the Midnighter, yadda yadda.
Spidey: man, you talk too much. Webs his face up.
Midnighter gets mad, jumps in, throws punches and kicks.
Spidey easily dodges them all, pulls Mids' coat over his face, kicks him a bit so he's flat on his face.
Midnighter: why can't I hit you?
Spidey: proportional strength of a spider, agility yadda yadda, oh, and Spidey sense.
Midnigher: that confirms the basic info I had on you. Door.
The arena gets covered in doors, where Spidey is about to land. He swings/jumps out of the way.
Spidey: Gotta do better than that, tall dark and ugly!
This keeps happening. Everytime he is about to land, a new door opens, and he jumps out of the way. Seems random. But it isn't. He lands exactly where Midnighter wants him to land. Gets tagged.
And again. And again. And again.
Repeat, and rinse.
End fight.
Now, I am no Midnighter. I didn't run a million scenarios in my head. Nor did I jump into this thread and scream 'Door' as soon as Carvy posted the OP. I am NOT BFRing. My dialogue admittedly can use a lot of work, but I am only using the doors to force the Spidey sense to make Spiderman do what I would want, if I wanted to tag him. He wouldn't be able to leap and dodge around, because there'd be limited places he'd be able to jump to. The SS would actually be working AGAINST Spidey, because it means it can be manipulated.
That was the original way I saw Mids could win. Sure, Spidey can jump to point A, B, C, D, E etc around the battlefield. But if doors were opened at all those points, except for point C, and Mids was ready with a punch at that point.....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, are we allowing feats now?Because OP said:
Besides, Mids too has dodged lasers. So....yeah.
Not comparing the two. It was a direct reply to Scarlet, who said that Spidey has dealt easily with the Spot. When in fact, he hasn't. Besides, the scan shows that if an extramidensional portal opens, Spidey cannot predict WHERE it's going to open, not just that an attack is coming through. Otherwise, predicting attacks is easy a phuck, lol. 'Hmm, a black hole is going to open here, as my Spidey sense has warned me, but it hasn't warned me what is going to come through, so I wouldn't do anything'.
Really, you guys are thinking too two dimensionally. THIS was originally how I envisaged a fight (not THE fight, but one way it can go down).
Ding, bell starts.
Midnighter starts spouting off. I'm the Midnighter, yadda yadda.
Spidey: man, you talk too much. Webs his face up.
Midnighter gets mad, jumps in, throws punches and kicks.
Spidey easily dodges them all, pulls Mids' coat over his face, kicks him a bit so he's flat on his face.
Midnighter: why can't I hit you?
Spidey: proportional strength of a spider, agility yadda yadda, oh, and Spidey sense.
Midnigher: that confirms the basic info I had on you. Door.The arena gets covered in doors, where Spidey is about to land. He swings/jumps out of the way.
Spidey: Gotta do better than that, tall dark and ugly!
This keeps happening. Everytime he is about to land, a new door opens, and he jumps out of the way. Seems random. But it isn't. He lands exactly where Midnighter wants him to land. Gets tagged.
And again. And again. And again.
Repeat, and rinse.
End fight.
Now, I am no Midnighter. I didn't run a million scenarios in my head. Nor did I jump into this thread and scream 'Door' as soon as Carvy posted the OP. I am NOT BFRing. My dialogue admittedly can use a lot of work, but I am only using the doors to force the Spidey sense to make Spiderman do what I would want, if I wanted to tag him. He wouldn't be able to leap and dodge around, because there'd be limited places he'd be able to jump to. The SS would actually be working AGAINST Spidey, because it means it can be manipulated.
That was the original way I saw Mids could win. Sure, Spidey can jump to point A, B, C, D, E etc around the battlefield. But if doors were opened at all those points, except for point C, and Mids was ready with a punch at that point.....
Again my bad for referencing the animated series with the battle against spot but I just figured that character wasn't drastically different from how he was in the comics. But your fight scenario is just one way things could've turned out. From what you wrote spidey didn't have to stop there from webbing midnighter's face. He could've just continued webbing leaving Midnighter gift wrapped for the cops to take because he has to run back to Parker industries for a meeting. He could also with good measure conceal him with now concrete webbing on top of his regular stuff for good measure. Something you shouldn't forget is that although Parker is given amazing abilities from the bite of a spider he is also a genius and has caught villains, heroes alike in pretty much the same scenario you painted with midnighter. I'm thinking of asking deathbattle if they can take this request
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, are we allowing feats now?Because OP said:
Besides, Mids too has dodged lasers. So....yeah.
Not comparing the two. It was a direct reply to Scarlet, who said that Spidey has dealt easily with the Spot. When in fact, he hasn't. Besides, the scan shows that if an extramidensional portal opens, Spidey cannot predict WHERE it's going to open, not just that an attack is coming through. Otherwise, predicting attacks is easy a phuck, lol. 'Hmm, a black hole is going to open here, as my Spidey sense has warned me, but it hasn't warned me what is going to come through, so I wouldn't do anything'.
Really, you guys are thinking too two dimensionally. THIS was originally how I envisaged a fight (not THE fight, but one way it can go down).
Ding, bell starts.
Midnighter starts spouting off. I'm the Midnighter, yadda yadda.
Spidey: man, you talk too much. Webs his face up.
Midnighter gets mad, jumps in, throws punches and kicks.
Spidey easily dodges them all, pulls Mids' coat over his face, kicks him a bit so he's flat on his face.
Midnighter: why can't I hit you?
Spidey: proportional strength of a spider, agility yadda yadda, oh, and Spidey sense.
Midnigher: that confirms the basic info I had on you. Door.The arena gets covered in doors, where Spidey is about to land. He swings/jumps out of the way.
Spidey: Gotta do better than that, tall dark and ugly!
This keeps happening. Everytime he is about to land, a new door opens, and he jumps out of the way. Seems random. But it isn't. He lands exactly where Midnighter wants him to land. Gets tagged.
And again. And again. And again.
Repeat, and rinse.
End fight.
Now, I am no Midnighter. I didn't run a million scenarios in my head. Nor did I jump into this thread and scream 'Door' as soon as Carvy posted the OP. I am NOT BFRing. My dialogue admittedly can use a lot of work, but I am only using the doors to force the Spidey sense to make Spiderman do what I would want, if I wanted to tag him. He wouldn't be able to leap and dodge around, because there'd be limited places he'd be able to jump to. The SS would actually be working AGAINST Spidey, because it means it can be manipulated.
That was the original way I saw Mids could win. Sure, Spidey can jump to point A, B, C, D, E etc around the battlefield. But if doors were opened at all those points, except for point C, and Mids was ready with a punch at that point.....
As someone else pointed out, there have been many times due to PIS that the SS was outright ignored by writers. Besides that, the door's ability could bring immediate dismemberment or death...Spot doesn't operate on that level of threat to Spider-man. The higher the threat level the louder the spider sense sounds off. These scenarios don't really account for Spider-man throwing webs and attacking AS he dodges. Also if we take into account the punches that Spidey has kept on rolling thru, I doubt midnighter's punch would give him much pause.
Leaving him gift wrapped for the cops, or just stopping the battle there, with Mids all wrapped up, well then its debatable if Mids can break out of it. And then, of course, doors, which is where BFR comes into play (or knee capping).
In this thread, I've seen people claim that Spidey is strong enough to KO the Hulk. KO Firelord. Give Doom hell. Durable enough to tank hits from Juggernaut. Hulk. Faster than light.
With all of these advantages, and I am NOT saying they never happened, but if this is indeed the level that Spidey is seen as operating in this thread, then...well, why wouldn't doors be used?
Because if I were to say, oh, but Mids can KO Spidey, people will jump at me, and say oh, are you saying Mids is Juggy/Hulk level???
As for the Spot, he was an idiot in the cartoon. Same powerset, but in the comics, once he developed half a brain and a killer instinct, Spidey was toast.
Edit: And jaydadon proves what I was saying - using Spideys performances against Hulk etc.
And Spot has instakilled before, via blood rip. That's a pretty high threat level.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
As someone else pointed out, there have been many times due to PIS that the SS was outright ignored by writers. Besides that, the door's ability could bring immediate dismemberment or death...Spot doesn't operate on that level of threat to Spider-man. The higher the threat level the louder the spider sense sounds off. These scenarios don't really account for Spider-man throwing webs and attacking AS he dodges. Also if we take into account the punches that Spidey has kept on rolling thru, I doubt midnighter's punch would give him much pause.
Exactly! If they were written to the best of their abilities then like Parker once told Mary Jane while he was describing his powers there is hardly anything that can catch him by surprise anymore due to his SS. In another comic a cool display of Parker's SS in action was after he had a bad tussle with vulture and was asleep his SS allowed him to know Mary Jane entered the apartment and he somewhat knew what she was doing. Midnighter is no slouch, it's true and they both have strength and speed with spidey edging out a bit, but then Parker is one of the most agile characters in marvel more so than nightcrawler and puck. Now combine that with SS and...
Originally posted by JayDaDon
As someone else pointed out, there have been many times due to PIS that the SS was outright ignored by writers. Besides that, the door's ability could bring immediate dismemberment or death...Spot doesn't operate on that level of threat to Spider-man. The higher the threat level the louder the spider sense sounds off. These scenarios don't really account for Spider-man throwing webs and attacking AS he dodges. Also if we take into account the punches that Spidey has kept on rolling thru, I doubt midnighter's punch would give him much pause.
The SS flat out failed to warn him where portals were going to open, until it was too late to do anything.
True, the scenario doesn't. Like I said, its one scnerio that I just thought of, not MILLIONS. I didn't account for Spidey farting on him either etc.
Mids wont give him pause with one punch. Two? Three? We know bullets go through Spideys hands like knife through butter. Mids punches harder than bullets.
Originally posted by Scarlet315
Exactly! If they were written to the best of their abilities then like Parker once told Mary Jane while he was describing his powers there is hardly anything that can catch him by surprise anymore due to his SS. In another comic a cool display of Parker's SS in action was after he had a bad tussle with vulture and was asleep his SS allowed him to know Mary Jane entered the apartment and he somewhat knew what she was doing. Midnighter is no slouch, it's true and they both have strength and speed with spidey edging out a bit, but then Parker is one of the most agile characters in marvel more so than nightcrawler and puck. Now combine that with SS and...
The SS specifically fails against portals that are extra dimensional, so them opening up at the last minute os going to throw him off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The SS flat out failed to warn him where portals were going to open, until it was too late to do anything.True, the scenario doesn't. Like I said, its one scnerio that I just thought of, not MILLIONS. I didn't account for Spidey farting on him either etc.
Mids wont give him pause with one punch. Two? Three? We know bullets go through Spideys hands like knife through butter. Mids punches harder than bullets.
Venom and Carnage punch harder than bullets as well. Spiderman himself punches harder than bullets, and can web his hands up to hit with all of his strength. I don't see how you've seen one guy's ability while leaving out the others. Midnighter isn't the Spot, this really isn't a point worth dancing around. The scan that you also posted shows that bullets can and have penetrated Midnighter.
Originally posted by Stoic
Venom and Carnage punch harder than bullets as well. Spiderman himself punches harder than bullets, and can web his hands up to hit with all of his strength. I don't see how you've seen one guy's ability while leaving out the others. Midnighter isn't the Spot, this really isn't a point worth dancing around. The scan that you also posted shows that bullets can and have penetrated Midnighter.
I specifically am making use of the SS.
And like I said, its ONE scenario. Out of millions.
Not dancing around. I'm not using the doors like the Spot. Jeez, Louise lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I specifically am making use of the SS.And like I said, its ONE scenario. Out of millions.
Not dancing around. I'm not using the doors like the Spot. Jeez, Louise lol.
My whole thing is that for a guy as new to the comic scenes as Midnighter to flat out kick Spiderman's butt, he'd have to prove that he was better than Wolverine. Wolverine in my opinion is the closest thing in terms of physicality to Midnighter in Marvel without the added durability, while having a weaker healing factor than Wolverine. I've seen Spiderman fight Wolverine, and without the Adamantium bones, I am almost certain that Spiderman would have KO'd him. I can see Midnighter giving Spiderman a tough time, and if he uses the Door, he'd probably win via translocation. However, as I stated before, that still never proved that Midnighter was capable of beating him physically or overcoming all of the tools that he brings to the table.
On paper, Spiderman beats him on nearly every front. Spiderman can fight on nearly every surface. This is something that very few characters can boast. I don't think that Midnighter's form of precog cancels or trumps the Spider Sense. I can't agree that Midnighter's form of physical combat defeats Spiderman's either. I see Spiderman as being more agile due to tactile abilities, which inevitably makes Spiderman faster because he doesn't slip, slide, or skid on most surfaces. i think that Spiderman also edges him out in strength, while the durability of either is just about the same.
Midnighter has a lot of years to put in, in order for him to logically come out on top of a guy that's literally been around for over 50 years, and has taken down characters well above Midnighter's pay grade. This would never be a stomp, and Spiderman would have to work his behind off for the win, but he would win this if we took the both of them at their best which is what the OP is asking. Spiderman does not have to be capable of moving at FTL speeds, because Midnighter isn't a character that moves at FTL speeds himself.
But his powers are very different from Wolverine's. His mindset is completely different, too. Wolverine would think twice about using lethal force on Peter. Midnighter wouldn't.
He has doors. Wolverine doesn't. He has a computer that isn't precog, that Wolverine doesn't.
Spiderman can stick to surfaces, true.... Until those surfaces get doors on them, forcing him to jump where Mids wants him to (using that SS against him).
Younkeep satin, overcoming all the tools that Spidey brings to the table...and yet, want to negate the tools that Mids brings to the table, lol.
As for webbing:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/141134/3730643-jkjn.png
It's 2.62 time as strong as steel.
Here's Mids with steel (casually, I might add):
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11126/111269876/5316260-8277577414-53079.jpg
Nah. What about his striking strength? I know carver will ask for specific scans of how hard he punches.
Just for the lulz....he catches Harry Tanner, the Eminence of Blades' sword.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11126/111269876/5316511-5072293582-53126.jpg
What's impressive about that sword? Apart from being wielded by the greatest swordsman in history?
It can cut through atoms:
One strand is that strong. If and when he webs him up, he could use wads, and wads of webbing capable of holding even the Savage Hulk.
Here we see him when he pours on the agility
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11114/111144314/4235438-1193019-fl2_1_.jpg
Showing how strong his webs are
https://dougernst.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/asm6-web-cement.jpg?w=750
I know that you can't be arguing that Midnighter is too heavy to be webbed up? All Peter has to do is web him up, whether he tries to break out or not, and use him as a wrecking ball. How long, would Midnighter last against Morlun? Like I said, he'd be a threat to Spiderman, but he can't begin to wage a feat war against Spiderman. I wouldn't attempt it if I were you, because some of the really hardcore Spiderman fans may scan bomb you.
