Agreed.
But that's like me saying how long would Spidey last against Red Lanterns, Apollo, or Etrigan.
And he was Waaaaaay fewer showings then Spidey.
I am arguing that he's strong enough to bust out of the webbing, assuming we take that showing. I'm just saying, a lot of people think he's Batman level in stats. When he's clearly not. Or in your case, Wolverine level in stats such as strength.
Sabretooth, pre upgrade, has also busted out of his webbing....its hardly Hulk level in every encounter.
Mids is strong, has the BC, and doors, and a killer instinct.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed.But that's like me saying how long would Spidey last against Red Lanterns, Apollo, or Etrigan.
And he was Waaaaaay fewer showings then Spidey.
I am arguing that he's strong enough to bust out of the webbing, assuming we take that showing. I'm just saying, a lot of people think he's Batman level in stats. When he's clearly not. Or in your case, Wolverine level in stats such as strength.
Sabretooth, pre upgrade, has also busted out of his webbing....its hardly Hulk level in every encounter.
Mids is strong, has the BC, and doors, and a killer instinct.
You're mentioning times that Spiderman wasn't blood lusted which is not what the OP is asking for.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed.But that's like me saying how long would Spidey last against Red Lanterns, Apollo, or Etrigan.
And he was Waaaaaay fewer showings then Spidey.
I am arguing that he's strong enough to bust out of the webbing, assuming we take that showing. I'm just saying, a lot of people think he's Batman level in stats. When he's clearly not. Or in your case, Wolverine level in stats such as strength.
Sabretooth, pre upgrade, has also busted out of his webbing....its hardly Hulk level in every encounter.
Mids is strong, has the BC, and doors, and a killer instinct.
Yeah, he's way ahead of Batman in terms of stats. Mids has shown to be a super speedster. And he's much stronger.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Op says they're bloodlusted?
No but Carver never objected to this post which was on the first page.
Originally posted by Stoic
They have basic knowledge of each other. I think that it depends on how hard Spiderman is willing to fight. Midnighter isn't keeping up with a spider blitz attack like the one that he put on Firelord. Anything less, and Pete could be in for some trouble.
And since Spiderman never blitzes unless he is extremely serious, I can't see why he wouldn't be. But no, it wasn't in the Opening Poster's first post. Do you think that he'd fight Midnighter with anything less than how he fought Wolverine? I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, are we allowing feats now?Because OP said:
Besides, Mids too has dodged lasers. So....yeah.
Not comparing the two. It was a direct reply to Scarlet, who said that Spidey has dealt easily with the Spot. When in fact, he hasn't. Besides, the scan shows that if an extramidensional portal opens, Spidey cannot predict WHERE it's going to open, not just that an attack is coming through. Otherwise, predicting attacks is easy a phuck, lol. 'Hmm, a black hole is going to open here, as my Spidey sense has warned me, but it hasn't warned me what is going to come through, so I wouldn't do anything'.
Really, you guys are thinking too two dimensionally. THIS was originally how I envisaged a fight (not THE fight, but one way it can go down).
Ding, bell starts.
Midnighter starts spouting off. I'm the Midnighter, yadda yadda.
Spidey: man, you talk too much. Webs his face up.
Midnighter gets mad, jumps in, throws punches and kicks.
Spidey easily dodges them all, pulls Mids' coat over his face, kicks him a bit so he's flat on his face.
Midnighter: why can't I hit you?
Spidey: proportional strength of a spider, agility yadda yadda, oh, and Spidey sense.
Midnigher: that confirms the basic info I had on you. Door.The arena gets covered in doors, where Spidey is about to land. He swings/jumps out of the way.
Spidey: Gotta do better than that, tall dark and ugly!
This keeps happening. Everytime he is about to land, a new door opens, and he jumps out of the way. Seems random. But it isn't. He lands exactly where Midnighter wants him to land. Gets tagged.
And again. And again. And again.
Repeat, and rinse.
End fight.
Now, I am no Midnighter. I didn't run a million scenarios in my head. Nor did I jump into this thread and scream 'Door' as soon as Carvy posted the OP. I am NOT BFRing. My dialogue admittedly can use a lot of work, but I am only using the doors to force the Spidey sense to make Spiderman do what I would want, if I wanted to tag him. He wouldn't be able to leap and dodge around, because there'd be limited places he'd be able to jump to. The SS would actually be working AGAINST Spidey, because it means it can be manipulated.
That was the original way I saw Mids could win. Sure, Spidey can jump to point A, B, C, D, E etc around the battlefield. But if doors were opened at all those points, except for point C, and Mids was ready with a punch at that point.....
What stops:
"Doo-" *fwip*. *Combo to KO.*
Spidey's pretty darned accurate and quick with that webbing. Got Matt's entire arm mid leap, and he has radar sense and agility second only to Spidey.
Originally posted by cdtm
What stops:"Doo-" *fwip*. *Combo to KO.*
Spidey's pretty darned accurate and quick with that webbing. Got Matt's entire arm mid leap, and he has radar sense and agility second only to Spidey.
Hard to KO Midnighter. Dude was on a table, getting surgery with a hole in his chest and most of his skin removed for the process to be a super soldier.
Originally posted by cdtm
What stops:"Doo-" *fwip*. *Combo to KO.*
Spidey's pretty darned accurate and quick with that webbing. Got Matt's entire arm mid leap, and he has radar sense and agility second only to Spidey.
You do know he doesn't actually say 'door'....its a mental thing.
This is what I meant by misconceptions.
Originally posted by Stoic
No but Carver never objected to this post which was on the first page.And since Spiderman never blitzes unless he is extremely serious, I can't see why he wouldn't be. But no, it wasn't in the Opening Poster's first post. Do you think that he'd fight Midnighter with anything less than how he fought Wolverine? I highly doubt it.
He isn't bloodlusted in most of his fights. Its a central part of Spideys character. So no, I don't think he will be in this fight, until it is too late
Originally posted by carver9
I wonder why MN didn't use doors when Dick was caving his face in?
Hypnos implants, which Dick had. As soon as the God Garden shut them down, Midnighter didn't even need doors - he just kicked the crap out of Grayson.
Please re-read your own scans, lol.
With Afterthought, it was because anything he tried, he was immediately shut down. By a guy who could see 5 seconds into the future.
Also, this is a forum fight, lol. Shall I trawl through Spidey's entire history and ask why he didn't do this, or that, every time he lost? Believe you me, I would find WAY more examples (as I would be able to go all the way back to the 60s).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hypnos implants, which Dick had. As soon as the God Garden shut them down, Midnighter didn't even need doors - he just kicked the crap out of Grayson.Please re-read your own scans, lol.
With Afterthought, it was because anything he tried, he was immediately shut down. By a guy who could see 5 seconds into the future.
Also, this is a forum fight, lol. Shall I trawl through Spidey's entire history and ask why he didn't do this, or that, every time he lost? Believe you me, I would find WAY more examples (as I would be able to go all the way back to the 60s).
Hmmm...u think door > spot?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hypnos implants, which Dick had. As soon as the God Garden shut them down, Midnighter didn't even need doors - he just kicked the crap out of Grayson.Please re-read your own scans, lol.
With Afterthought, it was because anything he tried, he was immediately shut down. By a guy who could see 5 seconds into the future.
Also, this is a forum fight, lol. Shall I trawl through Spidey's entire history and ask why he didn't do this, or that, every time he lost? Believe you me, I would find WAY more examples (as I would be able to go all the way back to the 60s).
It seems like points tend to go over your head.
Also, even though the hypno implants were there, he was still fighting back. You're making excuses at this point. He could've opened a door.
Again, you're making excuses. If the door is an effective tool, and it is, he would've used it in battle.
Lol...the forum rules states they fight in character. In CHARACTER, MN doesn't use doors. He has far more appearances of fighting it out vs opening up doors. This goes to the point of my previous question...ON AVERAGE, MN does not use doors. You can post all the things you want about Spiderman but on AVERAGE, he uses his spider sense, super speed, super strength, webbing and intellect. Post those scans though.
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