Originally posted by JayDaDon
Forgot about the suit. It doesnt matter that much if Midnighter is a better martial artist, its no longer a weakness for Spidey. The ss being the equalizer it could come down to who's physical stats are better and Spidey gets that nod.
True suit doesn't make a difference but would nullify some hits from Midnighter I he were to land them
Originally posted by Zack M
Spot also made Spidey look like a fool with his teleportation, too. Midnighter has tagged a bloodlusted speedster (Who is almost as fast as the Flash), which is BETTER than that Iron Fist feat. Now match that feat!
that....doesn't even make sense. 😐 seriously. that is as dumb as the scene where stroke took down flash. in the time it took to DRAW the weapon, that guy should have hit midnighter a 100 times (IF he's as fast as he claimed). he would literally (like flash against ds) have run INTO the blade. nighter wouldn't be faster at any point. he might predict an action, but that's not the same as being faster. unless you're telling me he can take flash now too.....? he also obviously prepped for the encounter since he was carrying a straight razor to use specifically on that guy's achilles..... you're really in love with midnighter for some reason, eh? it's a little weird....
Originally posted by Zack M
This fight does NOT look good for Spidey. He gets murdered here.
The previous fight between the Spot and Spidey, the Spot was a loser dweeb scientist who was only after money - he didn't want to take over the world or anything like that. Just human level stats, and no fighting skills or fighting mindset.
The second time, though? He had a killer instinct. That was the only difference. And Spidey was getting curbed.
Originally posted by leonidas
that....doesn't even make sense. 😐 seriously. that is as dumb as the scene where stroke took down flash. in the time it took to DRAW the weapon, that guy should have hit midnighter a 100 times (IF he's as fast as he claimed). he would literally (like flash against ds) have run INTO the blade. nighter wouldn't be faster at any point. he might predict an action, but that's not the same as being faster. unless you're telling me he can take flash now too.....? he also obviously prepped for the encounter since he was carrying a straight razor to use specifically on that guy's achilles..... you're really in love with midnighter for some reason, eh? it's a little weird....
He STILL reacted to a speester. That's all that matters. Gotta give credit where credits due.
he can't detect spot directly because there are a hundred spots and he doesn't know where he's coming from--his senses wouldn't let him sense spot through the holes. that is nothing at all like what the doors are....nighter isn't attacking THROUGH the doors. the doors ARE the danger and he would sense them just fine. this love affair you're starting up with midnighter is awkward. 😐
Originally posted by leonidas
that....doesn't even make sense. 😐 seriously. that is as dumb as the scene where stroke took down flash. in the time it took to DRAW the weapon, that guy should have hit midnighter a 100 times (IF he's as fast as he claimed). he would literally (like flash against ds) have run INTO the blade. nighter wouldn't be faster at any point. he might predict an action, but that's not the same as being faster. unless you're telling me he can take flash now too.....? he also obviously prepped for the encounter since he was carrying a straight razor to use specifically on that guy's achilles..... you're really in love with midnighter for some reason, eh? it's a little weird....
I thought he just used that crowbar. He didn't know about the speedster before they tussled.
Difference between him and Flash, Flash could've (would've? should've?) vibrated through DS' blade. Whereas this guy ran into a spot where Mids knew he would run to, and was waiting for him.
Originally posted by leonidas
he can't detect spot directly because there are a hundred spots and he doesn't know where he's coming from--his senses wouldn't let him sense spot through the holes. that is nothing at all like what the doors are....nighter isn't attacking THROUGH the doors. the doors ARE the danger and he would sense them just fine. this love affair you're starting up with midnighter is awkward. 😐
I don't care if he uses the doors, because he can take Spidey without it. I've shown you on panel evidence of his super speed, weak spot detecting, nerve strikes, proof that he's one of the best fighters, enhanced stats, etc...
DCnU Midnighter doesn't have a losing record. In fact, he's only lost ONCE, and that was to a precog. Spider-Man won't win the majority.
Originally posted by leonidas
he can't detect spot directly because there are a hundred spots and he doesn't know where he's coming from--his senses wouldn't let him sense spot through the holes. that is nothing at all like what the doors are....nighter isn't attacking THROUGH the doors. the doors ARE the danger and he would sense them just fine. this love affair you're starting up with midnighter is awkward. 😐
I know. I'm just saying to Scarlet, using the Spot was THE worst example to ever use.
Because the Spot was beating Spidey quite handily.
And Mids can also attack through doors, if he wishes to. Hence, the scans about kneecapping and discarding them two blocks away.
Like you said, and I agree. No doors, purely h2h, Spidey has good odds. All I am saying, is if as the Spidey supporters are claiming, he has ZERO chance of beating Spidey....doors will be used.
Whereas I am claiming that it is a good fight either way.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought he just used that crowbar. He didn't know about the speedster before they tussled.Difference between him and Flash, Flash could've (would've? should've?) vibrated through DS' blade. Whereas this guy ran into a spot where Mids knew he would run to, and was waiting for him.
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you're right. not sure why i saw that thing he threw as a straight blade....anyway, i agree. BUT, you could say the computer would know he's vibrate and then he'd just adjust to that.... no limits is no limits. i know the judges weren't buying it when i tried using him in that bz against you. lol
i'd say that guy was (a) a moron, (b) it's pis, or (c) it's def not the norm. either way, not sure i showing like that would count for more than a win or 2 given the...odd nature of it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know. I'm just saying to Scarlet, using the Spot was THE worst example to ever use.Because the Spot was beating Spidey quite handily.
And Mids can also attack through doors, if he wishes to. Hence, the scans about kneecapping and discarding them two blocks away.
Like you said, and I agree. No doors, purely h2h, Spidey has good odds. All I am saying, is if as the Spidey supporters are claiming, he has ZERO chance of beating Spidey....doors will be used.
Whereas I am claiming that it is a good fight either way.
oh i get you're stance--and carv CAN bring us all to...extremes lol i was talking about JUST the doors. has he actually attacked through doors ala spot? if he could open multiple doors and attack through them, then...sure. you're, er, spot on. not sure that's in character though. i think we generally agree. without doors i think spidey wins more than you maybe, but not far off. i just hate the doors. lead to too many problems in these scenarios.
Originally posted by leonidas
oh i get you're stance--and carv CAN bring us all to...extremes lol i was talking about JUST the doors. has he actually attacked through doors ala spot? if he could open multiple doors and attack through them, then...sure. you're, er, spot on. not sure that's in character though. i think we generally agree. without doors i think spidey wins more than you maybe, but not far off. i just hate the doors. lead to too many problems in these scenarios.
Exactly, if Midnighter is going to take an ass whipping just leave it at that. There's no reason to bring up the Door tactic, because then it wouldn't truly be Midnighter winning but it will instead be his Door tactic that takes the win. Also if you really want to get technical about it, the Door tactic would and should be considered as outside help. It's not like he's carrying around the hardware that he depends on to produce these Doors right?
Originally posted by Stoic
Exactly, if Midnighter is going to take an ass whipping just leave it at that. There's no reason to bring up the Door tactic, because then it wouldn't truly be Midnighter winning but it will instead be his Door tactic that takes the win. Also if you really want to get technical about it, the Door tactic would and should be considered as outside help. It's not like he's carrying around the hardware that he depends on to produce these Doors right?
he has the controls for the doors on his person. or he did anyway....
Originally posted by cdtm
It worked against Nightcrawler...?
maybe because nc leaves and returns instantly? spot varies his appearances and can attack from multiple places at the same time or at different times. maybe...?
pretty sure his spider sense helped him beat solo, who is also a teleporter, but can't recall the details.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Spot?He specifically does not set Spidey's Spider Sense off, because he is not in the same dimension as him.
That's actually the worse example you could've used, lol.
Imagine if Spot didn't just have human level strength/speed....
POW THWOCK WOCK CHOCK indeed.
Oh my bad but I never read that comic. I was actually referring to that fight in the animated series
