Originally posted by Zenwolf
Mmmk...but basing off the movies? It's hardly fair to say Anakin is always like this in combat, when the instance was surrounded by circumstance.
I'm more inclined to think that is how he conducts himself in combat.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well we have the instance of Anakin being a prick in combat in AOTC, nothing in AOTC to really contradict that he acts that way in combat, and a book series establishing that he does that shit all the time.I'm more inclined to think that is how he conducts himself in combat.
He seemed rather focused and level headed in the Arena battle.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
He seemed rather focused and level headed in the Arena battle.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes, and he's also fighting alongside Padme... the person he loves above all other people. Of course he'll want to protect her. Besides, in the arena, there were a bunch of minions, and not one great big bad for Anakin to throw himself at.
Right, which would mean his mindset there under no circumstances is clear. Anakin only threw himself at Dooku recklessly because of him being the cause of all those Jedi dying, if you took that away...would you still say he'd go in recklessly just from the movie?
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Right, which would mean his mindset there under no circumstances is clear. Anakin only threw himself at Dooku recklessly because of him being the cause of all those Jedi dying, if you took that away...would you still say he'd go in recklessly just from the movie?
He was also being reckless in the Zam Wessel chase.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
No him being with Padme means he's more motivated towards actual teamwork and to protect the person next to him (since he's obsessively attached to her and she's much more vulnerable in combat than him) than he otherwise would be. That's not quite the same as his conduct in almost every other battle.He was also being reckless in the Zam Wessel chase.
So you're saying Padme aside, he wouldn't want to protect Obi-Wan? I mean sure he could be more motivated because of Padme, but I don't think there would be a huge gap in working with someone else. Plus there really was only that battle where he was clear of mind, that and I guess the factory.
Every other battle, was with cirumstances(mother dying in his arms, his anger to Dooku for killing Jedi.)
Eh...yes I could see that he was being reckless, since Zam was trying to kill Padme, but not really much a fight there.
At any rate, we're treading off topic here so I don't wanna make this a lengthy thing.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
So you're saying Padme aside, he wouldn't want to protect Obi-Wan? I mean sure he could be more motivated because of Padme, but I don't think there would be a huge gap in working with someone else. Plus there really was only that battle where he was clear of mind, that and I guess the factory.Every other battle, was with cirumstances(mother dying in his arms, his anger to Dooku for killing Jedi.)
Eh...yes I could see that he was being reckless, since Zam was trying to kill Padme, but not really much a fight there.
At any rate, we're treading off topic here so I don't wanna make this a lengthy thing.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Right but I'm just talking specifically from the movies, no outside sources.
And regardless, looking at it with the movie fights, we have the geonosis arena weighed with the Dooku fight and the Zam Wessel chase.
And based on Obi-Wan's comments about Anakin's arrogance, criticism of Anakin not listening to him, implication that he does reckless shit all the time ("You know I don't like it when you do that. I don't mind flying but what you're doing is suicide" "How many times have I told you, stay away from power couplings" "I hate it when he does that"😉, I really don't think Anakin's reckless combative behavior is only specific to those circumstances.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'm probably misrepresenting the OP's intentions, but he doesn't put the 2 teams against each other in a 2 v 2 match up. He just says "which is the better team". And as of AOTC, Obi-Wan and Anakin had many flaws as a team, mainly due to Anakin's arrogance and frustrations at not being a Knight.
yea but the TPM team had conflict of their own. while Obi Wan was much more respectful he still bucked against his masters way of doing things. and if we are talking battle prowess as a team they the also have a shitty record, 1 dead and one lucky hit against just one opponent.
Originally posted by relentless1
yea but the TPM team had conflict of their own. while Obi Wan was much more respectful he still bucked against his masters way of doing things.
That never once negatively effected them in combat in any way, shape or form.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Mmmk...but basing off the movies? It's hardly fair to say Anakin is always like this in combat, when the instance was surrounded by circumstance.
No one said he's always like that. Just that he can be reckless, whereas TPM Kenobi can take advantage of reckless behaviour as he's proven.
Lol you don't have to stick to AotC to show that Anakin is reckless/impatient. Look at TCW.
Anakin on Iego when he destroyed a bunch of friendly b1's while Kenobi told him to wait.
Anakin fighting Dooku on Naboo with the magnaguard trap; he relentlessly tries to hack at Dooku instead of first trying to dismantle the droids.
Originally posted by SunRazersorry I should have specified
Anakin did dismantle the droids first, lol. Another droid came out of nowhere and captured Palpatine, and it was behind Dooku, which meant Anakin had no way of getting to it until he defeated Dooku first, lol.
He just bum rushes Dooku who's walking away instead of saving his own ass first.
Originally posted by Kurk
Lol you don't have to stick to AotC to show that Anakin is reckless/impatient. Look at TCW.Anakin on Iego when he destroyed a bunch of friendly b1's while Kenobi told him to wait.
Anakin fighting Dooku on Naboo with the magnaguard trap; he relentlessly tries to hack at Dooku instead of first trying to dismantle the droids.
Nah AOTC Anakin and TCW Anakin are totally different.
In AOTC he was frustrated over not being a Knight, blaming Kenobi and trying to impress Padme. None of that applies during TCW. His supposed "recklessness" (as the Jedi saw him) in TCW won him battles left, right and centre and saved countless lives. He actually showed himself to be a military genius in battle.
He could still get angry and hot headed, but not usually in a way that would cost him the fight.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah AOTC Anakin and TCW Anakin are totally different.In AOTC he was frustrated over not being a Knight, blaming Kenobi and trying to impress Padme. None of that applies during TCW. His supposed "recklessness" (as the Jedi saw him) in TCW won him battles left, right and centre and saved countless lives. He actually showed himself to be a military genius in battle.
He could still get angry and hot headed, but not usually in a way that would cost him the fight.
In "Downfall of a Droid", Anakin again relentlessly pursues Grievous in his starfighter in an attempt to kill him. After suffering damage to his ship which should have resulted in him breaking off, he still continues to pursuit resulting in his ship blowing up. End result is him being injured and R2, with all of his valuable war information, being captured.
I can provide more if you wish
Him being frustrated in ROTS had no noticeable effect on him in combat until he turned to the dark side and was conflicted about his decision.
Oh he made a few mistakes in battle. Must be reckless then right?
What about in Cat and Mouse when he outsmarted Tactical Genius Admiral Trench saving the planet below while Kenobi was ordering him not to intervene because it was a hopeless cause?
Who figured how to put down the Zillo Beast? Was it Jedi Master champion of the order Mace Windu? Wait no, that was Skywalker as well. Go figure.
Who figured out how to infiltrate the citadel with the unorthodox yet genius idea of carbon freeze? Yes Anakin again.
He was the Clone Wars greatest hero which he proved again and again. I can provide more examples if you like.
As for your lowball example who destroyed the Malevolence in the end? Oh that's right it was Anakin.
Who heroically saved Plo Koon against the Council's orders and exposed the Malevolence and her Ion Weapon in the first place? Oh yes Anakin.
The examples are numerous. No other Jedi came close to him during TCW.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Him being frustrated in ROTS had no noticeable effect on him in combat until he turned to the dark side and was conflicted about his decision.Oh he made a few mistakes in battle. Must be reckless then right?
What about in Cat and Mouse when he outsmarted Tactical Genius Admiral Trench saving the planet below while Kenobi was ordering him not to intervene because it was a hopeless cause?
Who figured how to put down the Zillo Beast? Was it Jedi Master champion of the order Mace Windu? Wait no, that was Skywalker as well. Go figure.
Who figured out how to infiltrate the citadel with the unorthodox yet genius idea of carbon freeze? Yes Anakin again.
He was the Clone Wars greatest hero which he proved again and again. I can provide more examples if you like.
As for your lowball example who destroyed the Malevolence in the end? Oh that's right it was Anakin.
Who heroically saved Plo Koon against the Council's orders and exposed the Malevolence and her Ion Weapon in the first place? Oh yes Anakin.
The examples are numerous. No other Jedi came close to him during TCW.
In "R2 Come Home" Skywalker nearly killed himself and Mace by triggering a bomb instead of first thinking about why a Mandalorian helmet would be sitting at a crash site.
Anakin attacks Clovis without thinking about the repercussions and is only saved from possible eviction from the order because Clovis lied to save him.
Originally posted by Kurk
sorry I should have specifiedHe just bum rushes Dooku who's walking away instead of saving his own ass first.
How very retarded. He fought Tyranus because that was his primary target. Once the droids got in the way, he usually managed to dismantle them just fine until they cheapshotted him.
Only after he dispatches them with TK does he head for Dooku again. Pay attention. 👆