Could Obi Wan replicate Maul's showing against Sidious?

Originally posted by Azronger
ILS, in Shadow Conspiracy, Sidious speedblitzes Maul. He absolutely wasn't going all-out when Maul kicked him.

Originally posted by ILS
I think we agree Sidious wasn't trying to annihilate Maul, which is why he did as well as he did. But at the same time, I would argue that there's plenty of people who, with the same circumstances, wouldn't have done as well as Maul.

One of them is Obi-Wan, just due to style. There's also people, like Savage, who are flat out not good enough.

Originally posted by MythLord
I mean, Dave said Sidious is untouchable to Maul and FactFile says he's barely been tested.

Well factfile isn't canon, but is fine for discussing Legends or Canon/Legends composite.

Dave saying Sidious is untouchable though could be referring to the fact that Sidious could have TK stomped them anytime he wanted. In fact we see that at the beginning of the fight and regarding the end of the fight he says something like "once Sidious has had enough he puts his Lightsabers away and Maul's Maul".

The "toying" on the official website could also be referring to Sidious TK stomping Maul at the end.

So these statements are not necessarily blanket statements that apply literally for every part of the fight.

Btw in the episode featurette on the official site, Filoni also said that Savage put up a better fight against Sidious than the 3 Council members. That wouldn't make any sense if Sidious never tried at all against the brothers.

On the ther hand you're probably right, because once someone is holding back it's impossible to know how much and for how long. Just saying those statements by Filoni and the website aren't as black and white as you suggest.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Btw in the episode commentary on the official site, Filoni also said that Savage put up a better fight against Sidious than the 3 Council members. That wouldn't make any sense if Sidious never tried at all against the brothers.

Actually, that makes sense because Sidious wasn't trying. Savage isn't naturally better than all three of those Jedi, that's ridiculous. The difference was that Sidious went all-out against the B-team, but didn't do so against Savage. Hence, Savage lasted much longer and appeared to put up a better fight. In reality, if Sidious had gone all-out, Savage would've died instantly as well. The fact that Sidious held back is why Savage gave off the appearance of putting up a better fight.

Anyways, all evidence suggests that Sidious was toying with them.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Actually, that makes sense because Sidious wasn't trying. Savage isn't naturally better than all three of those Jedi, that's ridiculous. The difference was that Sidious went all-out against the B-team, but didn't do so against Savage. Hence, Savage lasted much longer and appeared to put up a better fight. In reality, if Sidious had gone all-out, Savage would've died instantly as well. The fact that Sidious held back is why Savage gave off the appearance of putting up a better fight.

If you listen to the featurette that doesn't seem to be what Filoni is suggesting at all. Because he specifically gives Savage credit for putting up a better fight than the Council members.

It would make no sense for him to even bring that up if the context was what you're suggesting.

Filoni's interviews also suggest that Sidious was holding back, so no, he does seem to be factoring in such a context.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Filoni's interviews also suggest that Sidious was holding back, so no, he does seem to be factoring in such a context.

He specifically gives Savage credit for that.

It could make sense if Sidious didn't hold back during every single clash of blades throughout a duel which has been described as "intense."

Also Sidious holding back against the Brothers in TK would be irrelevant given he never utilised TK on the Council members.

He gives Savage credit for lasting longer, in essence. He makes it clear that Sidious held back.

Also, duels can be "intense", "spectacular", "brutal", etc. and still be one-sided.

Your last point more or less proves my point. The holding back refers to lightsaber combat, a notion supported by other supplementary material.

Originally posted by MythLord
It's confirmed he faked exhaustion/defeat at the hands of Mace, so he didn't end up getting fvked.

And straining? Just because he's scowling doesn't mean he's straining, lmao; otherwise Mace was strained in breaking bladelocks with Asajj Ventress... T
he fact that he overpowered Maul, and is confirmed to have been "barely tested" and "toying" while Maul is rage-amped completely invalidates your entire argument and just means Sidious pulled off his usual goofing around with opponents.

That isn't Sidious straining; this is: https://youtu.be/9DI8kkR9G0Q?t=150

Originally posted by Kurk
Tell me, if Sidious was truly toying around, why did he allow him to land a kick on him and allow him be on top during the blade-lock?

He was compensating.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He gives Savage credit for lasting longer, in essence. He makes it clear that Sidious held back.

Nope. He says Savage "put up a better fight."

Again watch the featurette and then tell me he means "Savage lasted longer because Sidious was screwing with him but didn't screw with the Council."

Originally posted by SunRazer

Also, duels can be "intense", "spectacular", "brutal", etc. and still be one-sided.

Nobody claimed it wasn't a one sided fight.

Originally posted by SunRazer

Your last point more or less proves my point. The holding back refers to lightsaber combat, a notion supported by other supplementary material.

I don't see how my point proves yours.

The only supplementary material I know of which supports that is Shadow Conspiracy. But the part that suggests that doesn't happen in the final episode.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
He was compensating.

Originally posted by Kurk
Tell me, if Sidious was truly toying around, why did he allow him to land a kick on him and allow Maul be on top during the blade-lock?

Feigning weakness is totally congruent with "toying around".

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
He was compensating.

Originally posted by Kurk
lol compensating for what? His lack of balls? His discontent with saber combat in general?

Idk, ask ILS. He's the resident psychiatrist.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Idk, ask ILS. He's the resident psychiatrist.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily right, or that people should heed my ideas, it's just the impression I get from a lot of you

ILS is an MD?

Yes.

Spoiler:
Mentally disturbed

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nope. He says Savage "put up a better fight."

Again watch the featurette and then tell me he means "Savage lasted longer because Sidious was screwing with him but didn't screw with the Council."

I can tell you that indeed. Filoni claims that Sidious is enjoying himself the entire time and that Savage and Maul can't even touch him (whereas they do touch him in the real fight, implying that he held back and allowed them to do so).

Nobody claimed it wasn't a one sided fight.

No, but words like "spectacular", "brutal", "intense" etc. don't preclude a character holding back either.

I don't see how my point proves yours.

The only supplementary material I know of which supports that is Shadow Conspiracy. But the part that suggests that doesn't happen in the final episode.

Per the website, Sidious was toying with Maul after killing Savage. And we know it's not referring to the ragdolling, since Filoni claims that's the part where "Sidious goes all in and mauls Maul, so to speak".

Sidious ws laughing and clearly taking a casual approach to the fight with the night brothers. Even when he was kicked away he was totally calm and casually Force pulled both of them to him simultaneously

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious ws laughing and clearly taking a casual approach to the fight with the night brothers. Even when he was kicked away he was totally calm and casually Force pulled both of them to him simultaneously