Mr. Miyagi vs. Ip Man

Originally posted by Silent Master
Arguing that we should ignore what is shown and instead base our conclusions on speculation isn't using logic.

We used what is shown to calculate how the fight will go.
In many of Ip Man scenes, characters are shown to attack Ip man first. Ip man defends and counters masterfully. This isn't applicable to Miyagi no matter how skillful Ip Man looked since Miyagi wouldn't be attacking first.
In scenes where Ip man was fighting skilled fighters (even boxers), Ip Man at times attacked first and was easily blocked and countered. We are not to ignore what is shown right?

Not that it really matters as other than being a nice party trick, the bottle feat is worthless in a fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
We used what is shown to calculate how the fight will go.
In many of Ip Man scenes, characters are shown to attack Ip man first. Ip man defends and counters masterfully. This isn't applicable to Miyagi no matter how skillful Ip Man looked since Miyagi wouldn't be attacking first.
In scenes where Ip man was fighting skilled fighters (even boxers), Ip Man at times attacked first and was easily blocked and countered. We are not to ignore what is shown right?

Ip man is shown to be faster and more skilled, by a rather large margin. yet you continue to ignore it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not that it really matters as other than being a nice party trick, the bottle feat is worthless in a fight.

Prehaps. But it does show the upper limits to Miyagi's power and hand speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prehaps. But it does show the upper limits to Miyagi's power and hand speed.

Yes and the speed shown onscreen was a good bit slower than Ip man's shown fighting speed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not that it really matters as other than being a nice party trick, the bottle feat is worthless in a fight.

Ip man is shown to be faster and more skilled, by a rather large margin. yet you continue to ignore it.

To parry or block an attack takes a small fraction of the attack's speed. So even if Ip Man can strike faster than Miyagi (debatable) then that has no bearing on whether Miyagi can parry Ip Man's attack. Miyagi caught an arrow casually, and easily parried two highly seasoned karate masters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes and the speed shown onscreen was a good bit slower than Ip man's shown fighting speed.

How so? Catching the arrow required crazy ass speed.

So does fighting off 10 handpicked black belts at once as well as dozens of men armed with weapons without getting touched by them at all.

Also show the video of Miyagi fighting the masters. I can show at least 3 times where Ip outshines him by a large margin.

Originally posted by h1a8
To parry or block an attack takes a small fraction of the attack's speed. So even if Ip Man can strike faster than Miyagi (debatable) then that has no bearing on whether Miyagi can parry Ip Man's attack. Miyagi caught an arrow casually, and easily parried two highly seasoned karate masters.

It's not debatable, Ip man is clearly shown as the faster and more skilled fighter.

How is it debatable that a nearly decrepit man is able to effortlessly take down arguably the most skilled and famous Kung-Fu master of his time, with 3 movies of kicking ass and being too polite to take names.

Notice how h1 ran away?

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not a staw man but a proof to why the bottles had no beer in them.
In a straw man, you have to REFUTE someone's argument. Froth didn't give any argument. He asked me to prove that there was no beer in the bottles. This is not an argument. Thus my statement is not a straw man.

You claimed the bottles were empty. I asked you to prove it. You were unable to prove it, so you ended up giving only your opinion. Don't see how it can be any clearer than that. Haven't you learned by now that your opinion does not equate to proof? We go by feats here. Tell me, why did you stop posting in the "How many thors equal one superman" thread? Didn't Impediment already tell you that feats are what counts in these arguments and not opinions?

Originally posted by h1a8
What? Froth asked me to prove that the bottles had no beer in them. He said that I had to prove that the bottles had no beer in them. My argument doesn't refute the assertion "I have to prove that the bottles had no beer in them". My argument attempts to prove why the beers had no beer in them. Thus there is no straw man anywhere.

Everyone knows what a straw man is. That's basic logic class 101.

facepalm

Sometimes I wonder if you even read what you type....

Originally posted by Silent Master
Notice how h1 ran away?

Totes.

Oh and to bring up a point either h1 or Froth made. Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just win a and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed.

What about Miyagi?

Originally posted by KingD19
So does fighting off 10 handpicked black belts at once as well as dozens of men armed with weapons without getting touched by them at all.

Also show the video of Miyagi fighting the masters. I can show at least 3 times where Ip outshines him by a large margin.

Ip Mans speed is only relevant if Miyagi attacks first. Or if it's greater than an arrow.

Originally posted by KingD19
Totes.

Oh and to bring up a point either h1 or Froth made. Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just win a and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed.

What about Miyagi?

Originally posted by h1a8
More subjective arguments. Ip man was in situations that is not related in any way to Miyagi. Remember in all those scenes they attacked Ip man first. Ip man defended and countered. In this fight that will not happen because Miyagi will not be attacking first at all. He will be the one parrying and countering.

How is he going to parry and counter someone that is faster, stronger and more skilled than he is?

Originally posted by Silent Master
How is he going to parry and counter someone that is faster, stronger and more skilled than he is?

It takes significantly less speed to block or parry an attack than the speed of the attack. A lesser skilled individual can easily parry a more skilled person's attack.

Ip man has no strength feats. He's actually weak.
Miyagi is the one with superhuman striking feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
It takes significantly less speed to block or parry an attack than the speed of the attack. A lesser skilled individual can easily parry a more skilled person's attack.

Ip man has no strength feats. He's actually weak.
Miyagi is the one with superhuman striking feats.

So you admit that Ip Man is faster and more skilled, good.

As for your claim that Ip Man has no strength or striking feats, you should probably watch the movies again.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you admit that Ip Man is faster and more skilled, good.

As for your claim that Ip Man has no strength or striking feats, you should probably watch the movies again.

Imo, he's weak. Look at all the hits it took to put humans out when he got serious.

Originally posted by h1a8
Imo, he's weak. Look at all the hits it took to put humans out when he got serious.

You really need to watch the movies again.