Mr. Miyagi vs. Ip Man

Originally posted by h1a8
It's humanly impossible to break bottles without liquid in them. Everyone who did it had liquid in them.

What are life threatening injuries? Injuries where you are sure to die? Or injuries that if more is inflicted on you then will you die?

Ip Mans durability is weak. He gets hurt very easily. Humans are not supposed to die when getting hit by other humans. Especially in movies.

Miyagi showed superhuman reflexes and speed when he caught the arrow. That defeats he is slow as shit argument.

Also, he casually dodged and parried very fast strikes from karate masters. This is consistent with the arrow feat.

But you are not understanding that none of this means anything since the argument is that Miyagi will win because Ip man will attack first. Miyagi will parry and counter.

whats your evidence that those bottles miyagi hit were empty?

second, a life threatening injury is any injury may result in death( the punches that ip man tanked from twister were the same punches that killed ip's rival)

humans are not supposed to die when getting hit by other humans? lol, do you know a boxer named max baer? search him up

the antagonist from the movie scorpion king also caught an arrow but still outclassed by a brick, so your argument is still invalid (if you want a legit reflex/speed feat watch the movie "watchmen" and watch out for a character named ozymandias)

ip man also parried very fast strikes from karate masters, whats your point?

It's pretty clear that h1 knows that Ip man wins, that's why he refuses to accept any challenges.

Originally posted by 950Killer
whats your evidence that those bottles miyagi hit were empty?

second, a life threatening injury is any injury may result in death( the punches that ip man tanked from twister were the same punches that killed ip's rival)

humans are not supposed to die when getting hit by other humans? lol, do you know a boxer named max baer? search him up

the antagonist from the movie scorpion king also caught an arrow but still outclassed by a brick, so your argument is still invalid (if you want a legit reflex/speed feat watch the movie "watchmen" and watch out for a character named ozymandias)

ip man also parried very fast strikes from karate masters, whats your point?

I'm talking about from one hit, not multiple hits. Of course a human can kill another human by many hits.

Just because someone caught an arrow in a movie and couldn't react to a slower punch (which contradicts) has nothing to do with Miyagi. Characters don't share low showings. All of Miyagi's feats don't contradict the arrow feat. So he's still good.

Are you implying that Miyagi doesn't have the speed or reflexes to parry Ip man's initial attack?

Originally posted by h1a8
I already easily proven the bottles were empty (except the last one) pages ago.

I'm talking about from one hit, not multiple hits. Of course a human can kill another human by many hits.

Just because someone caught an arrow in a movie and couldn't react to a slower punch (which contradicts) has nothing to do with Miyagi. Characters don't share low showings. All of Miyagi's feats don't contradict the arrow feat. So he's still good.

Are you implying that Miyagi doesn't have the speed or reflexes to parry Ip man's initial attack?

You haven't proven anything.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already easily proven the bottles were empty (except the last one) pages ago.

You never proved anything. You simply gave your opinion and failed to back it with proof. Again.

It's very easy to call a proof an opinion. You can do that without any justication.

The onus is on you to prove that my proof is wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's very easy to call a proof an opinion. You can do that without any justication.

The onus is on you to prove that my proof is wrong.

Lol. That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Proof is called proof because it can't be contested. If your "proof" is highly debateable then that is no proof at all.

Using your logic I can say this:

The bottles Miyagi broke had liquid in them. Proof is that it's impossible (aacording to you) to break empty bottles. Onus is on you to disprove my proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's very easy to call a proof an opinion. You can do that without any justication.

The onus is on you to prove that my proof is wrong.

It's even easier to call opinion "proof", you do that all the time.

The onus is on you to prove that your opinion is correct.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's even easier to call opinion "proof", you do that all the time.

The onus is on you to prove that your opinion is correct.

No, if someone claimed a proof to be an actual opinion then its on them to show why? It's not hard to do.

Otherwise, I can just claim that ALL FACTS and proofs are opinions without being accountable. "I don't like it, so I'll call it an opinion and thus never lose the debate."

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol. That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Proof is called proof because it can't be contested. If your "proof" is highly debateable then that is no proof at all.

Using your logic I can say this:

The bottles Miyagi broke had liquid in them. Proof is that it's impossible (aacording to you) to break empty bottles. Onus is on you to disprove my proof.

It's actually sound. Your bias is lowering your iq of seeing the obvious.

No one contested my proof. Just saying that it isn't proof or calling it opinions isn't contesting anything. I can can facts and sound proof wrong and opinions all I want. But that doesn't mean I'm contesting the actual claimed facts or proofs.

Yes, you claim that your opinions are proof all the time.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already easily proven the bottles were empty (except the last one) pages ago.

I'm talking about from one hit, not multiple hits. Of course a human can kill another human by many hits.

Just because someone caught an arrow in a movie and couldn't react to a slower punch (which contradicts) has nothing to do with Miyagi. Characters don't share low showings. All of Miyagi's feats don't contradict the arrow feat. So he's still good.

Are you implying that Miyagi doesn't have the speed or reflexes to parry Ip man's initial attack?

you havent proven anything

tanking dozens of shots coming from twister means that ip man has high durability, any feats from miyagi that can surpass ip's durability?

no it does not contradict, lets look at the context of the arrow catch feat, both miyagi and the scorpion king needed some form of concentration to even catch the arrow, if both can catch multiple arrows from different directions then we can say that miyagi surpasses ip in terms of reactions/speed but both only caught one arrow from a decent distance.

yes, miyagi will have a hard time to even react to ip man's speed (miyagi fought some slow-ass fodders)

Originally posted by 950Killer
you havent proven anything

tanking dozens of shots coming from twister means that ip man has high durability, any feats from miyagi that can surpass ip's durability?

no it does not contradict, lets look at the context of the arrow catch feat, both miyagi and the scorpion king needed some form of concentration to even catch the arrow, if both can catch multiple arrows from different directions then we can say that miyagi surpasses ip in terms of reactions/speed but both only caught one arrow from a decent distance.

yes, miyagi will have a hard time to even react to ip man's speed (miyagi fought some slow-ass fodders)

He didn't tank anything. He was easily phucked up from each punch (greatly affected). It was pathetic. How are you turning a super weak ass showing as a good feat is beyond me? Twister is nothing more than a human boxer. There were no steroids at the time. Mike Tyson in his prime could hit harder than him.

Just because Ip man didn't die doesn't mean it was a good showing. He was severely phucked up.

Anyway, if you don't believe I proved the bottles were empty then please rebut my proof. Explain the faultiness in the details I gave. Just saying I didn't prove it is not going to fly. That's trolling tbh.

What are you talking about? Miyagi caught the arrow CASUALLY! Any form of concentration can be applied to fighting. It's silly to believe that Miyagi will not be concentrating while fighting. He has GREAT REFLEXES. He also casually dodged and parried vicious lightning fast punches and kicks from the karate masters.

Miyagi catching an arrow PROVES he can EASILY react to ANY Ip Man attack. Arrows >>>>>>>>>Ip Man speed.

Show examples of Miyagi dodging/parrying "lightning fast punches and kicks from the karate masters".

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, if you don't believe I proved the bottles were empty then please rebut my proof. Explain the faultiness in the details I gave. Just saying I didn't prove it is not going to fly. That's trolling tbh.

You made a claim that it was humanly impossible to break the necks of bottles. I posted vids to prove you wrong. You then changed your claim that it was impossible to break EMPTY bottles like what Miyagi did. Which I then asked you to prove that they were empty... unfortunately you never proved them empty.

You said you believed them empty because they were drinking, but that's just a theory. That doesn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were empty.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You made a claim that it was humanly impossible to break the necks of bottles. I posted vids to prove you wrong. You then changed your claim that it was impossible to break EMPTY bottles like what Miyagi did. Which I then asked you to prove that they were empty... unfortunately you never proved them empty.

You said you believed them empty because they were drinking, but that's just a theory. That doesn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were empty.

That was the claim I meant from the beginning. Didn't know people did it with water in them? That was new to me.

They were empty because they were prop bottles designed to break for the actor.

Show examples of Miyagi dodging/parrying "lightning fast punches and kicks from the karate masters".

Originally posted by Silent Master
Show examples of Miyagi dodging/parrying "lightning fast punches and kicks from the karate masters".

Originally posted by h1a8
Explain your purpose. I'm pretty sure you seen the movies so obviously a trap.

It's only a trap if no examples exist, is this you admitting that you can't back up your claim?

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's only a trap if no examples exist, is this you admitting that you can't back up your claim?