Mr. Miyagi vs. Ip Man

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Accepted.
2. I didn't say they didn't have any liquid, I said they weren't full like you said
3. You need to prove they were empty. You simply saying they were empty is not proof.

2. I didn't mean they were full (literally as in to the tip top) but rather the base was full (not necessarily the neck).

3. It was understood from the situation that the beer bottles were empty. It makes no sense for the men to drink a little beer from each bottle and constantly open another bottle when there is still more beer in the old bottle. They were garbage bottles that were sitting on the truck. There is nothing to prove. This is a fact. The last one possibly had some liquid in it as we see him drinking it as he puts it down in contempt.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The challenge was to have an unbiased mod view the fight scenes and give their opinion on which was more impressive, so you refusing the challenge is tantamount to admitting that Ip man has the better fighting feats.

So, thank you for admitting that Ip man wins.

Better? Subjectively yes. But how does that translate to who wins? It doesn't.
If Miyagi can be proven to perceive and counter Ip Man's attacks then "better" fighting feats are irrelevant. Now if Miyagi was a first attacker then I would give Ip Man the advantage.

Originally posted by h1a8
Better? Subjectively yes. But how does that translate to who wins? It doesn't.
If Miyagi can be proven to perceive and counter Ip Man's attacks then "better" fighting feats are irrelevant. Now if Miyagi was a first attacker then I would give Ip Man the advantage.

You only call Ip mans fighting feats irrelevant because you know they prove that he wins.

onscreen feats...,

Mr Miyagi= beat up teenagers, excellent at pruning Bonsai Tree's

Ip Man= Flawlessly ( without being hit ) defeated 10 expert martial artists at once.

Originally posted by h1a8
Better? Subjectively yes. But how does that translate to who wins? It doesn't.

There's nothing subjective about it. Ip Mans onscreen feats and accomplishments are demonstratively far more superior and skillful than Miyagis.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There's nothing subjective about it. Ip Mans onscreen feats and accomplishments are demonstratively far more superior and skillful than Miyagis.

He knows, that's why he refused to have them judged by an unbiased source.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There's nothing subjective about it. Ip Mans onscreen feats and accomplishments are demonstratively far more superior and skillful than Miyagis.

I disagree. Catching an arrow with ease >>>>>>>anything Ip man ever did.

Also what you are saying isn't what determines the winning here.
Subjective Accomplishments, skill in general, etc isn't what decides the winner here.

We only use subjective reasoning when there is no objective reasoning to pursue.

Objectively Miyagi can casually catch an arrow. This means he has perceptions beyond Ip Man's speed and quick hand speed.

Objectively, Miyagi doesn't attact first. He always waits for the opponent to attack and defends with a smooth and quick counter attack. He's an expert at Aikido (using an opponents momentum against them).

Ip man is excellent when he doesn't attack first. If Miyagi was a first attacker then Ip man will win.

But Ip man will be the one attacking first and at a disadvantage.

Comparing feats is how we have always determined the winner on these forums and you know this, just like you know Ip man's fighting feats are better.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. I didn't mean they were full (literally as in to the tip top) but rather the base was full (not necessarily the neck).

3. It was understood from the situation that the beer bottles were empty. It makes no sense for the men to drink a little beer from each bottle and constantly open another bottle when there is still more beer in the old bottle. They were garbage bottles that were sitting on the truck. There is nothing to prove. This is a fact. The last one possibly had some liquid in it as we see him drinking it as he puts it down in contempt.

There is no proof and there is no fact. There is only your interpretation. Bottom line is, you claimed that what Miyagi did was not possible by by normal humans. I have proved you wrong. If you want to strawman the hell out of it and claim they were empty bottles then you need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were empty. This is common sense: you make a claim, you have to prove it.

Now are you going to contue with this silly thought or are you going to admit that what Miyagi did is doable by regular humans and yoi don't need 200mph handspeeds to achieve?

As for catching arrows, normal humans do that too. It's not as impressive as you might think especially when done against a low poundage bow.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There is no proof and there is no fact. There is only your interpretation. Bottom line is, you claimed that what Miyagi did was not possible by by normal humans. I have proved you wrong. If you want to strawman the hell out of it and claim they were empty bottles then you need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were empty. This is common sense: you make a claim, you have to prove it.

Now are you going to contue with this silly thought or are you going to admit that what Miyagi did is doable by regular humans and yoi don't need 200mph handspeeds to achieve?

As for catching arrows, normal humans do that too. It's not as impressive as you might think especially when done against a low poundage bow.

You didn't prove me wrong.
What Miyagi did was impossible. There was nearly no liquid in 3 of those bottles. You showed people doing it with a substantial amount of liquid in them.

Normal humans caught slow as hell lobbing arrows. I've seen the videos. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Comparing feats is how we have always determined the winner on these forums and you know this, just like you know Ip man's fighting feats are better.

There is objectivity here. Miyagi doesn't attack first. Miyagi counters. Miyagi is quick with great perceptions. This nullifies all the impressive showings by Ip man. Because they don't translate to how Ip Man can get around an opponent with these attributes.

Show me Ip Man dealing with an opponent that waits for him to attack. An opponent with good perceptions and hand speed. Let's be objective. Or use LOGIC to Explain How a particular showing by Ip Man translates to him not getting countered (like with the boxers).

You essentially conceded the debate when you refused to have the fighting feats judged by an unbiased source.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't prove me wrong.
What Miyagi did was impossible. There was nearly no liquid in 3 of those bottles. You showed people doing it with a substantial amount of liquid in them.

Normal humans caught slow as hell lobbing arrows. I've seen the videos. They should be ashamed of themselves.

This is what you said:

No human has broken a bottle at the top portion without knocking the bottle down.
That's impossible.

I posted videos that proved you wrong. Period.

Now if you want to make a new claim that humans can't break the top off EMPTY bottles, then you need to specify that separately. Of course if you mean to use that in this debate then you need to prove that the bottles Miyagi broke were empty. Burden of proof lies with you because you're the one making the claim. If you can't prove it then all it really is is your opinion.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There is no proof and there is no fact. There is only your interpretation. Bottom line is, you claimed that what Miyagi did was not possible by by normal humans. I have proved you wrong. If you want to strawman the hell out of it and claim they were empty bottles then you need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were empty. This is common sense: you make a claim, you have to prove it.

Now are you going to contue with this silly thought or are you going to admit that what Miyagi did is doable by regular humans and yoi don't need 200mph handspeeds to achieve?

As for catching arrows, normal humans do that too. It's not as impressive as you might think especially when done against a low poundage bow.

ip man isnt even a bullettimer

hell he cant even react to throwing knives 😂

if you put ip man during the arrow scene, he would have got a arrow to the skull before ip could blink

come back when ip man can dodge freaking twister of all people punches properly 😂

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Sooooo, now we are just making up feats for the contestants? Okay...

Must hurt being so desperate, since Miyagi already lost so badly.

only in your imagination phucktard

Originally posted by Dexx-Planet86
ip man isnt even a bullettimer

hell he cant even react to throwing knives 😂

if you put ip man during the arrow scene, he would have got a arrow to the skull before ip could blink

come back when ip man can dodge freaking twister of all people punches properly 😂

Pish. You talk as if Miyagi is a bullet timer himself.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Pish. You talk as if Miyagi is a bullet timer himself.

show me ip man casually catching mach 10 arrows like miyagi did please

Mach 10? From a Yomi bow fired by a regular guy? Go suck a f*ck you troll. If it went Mach 10 it would have destroyed the room it was in from the shockwave alone.

Mach 10? From a half-drawn yumi? Now I know for sure you're trolling.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This is what you said:

I posted videos that proved you wrong. Period.

Now if you want to make a new claim that humans can't break the top off EMPTY bottles, then you need to specify that separately. Of course if you mean to use that in this debate then you need to prove that the bottles Miyagi broke were empty. Burden of proof lies with you because you're the one making the claim. If you can't p

Prove it then all it really is is your opinion.

They were empty because
1. They were prop bottles for the movie with already cracked tops.
2. It's understood that the guys drunk them completely in order to drink a new bottle.

Pat Morita didn't actually break anything. He's an actor. The bottles were a prop and were set up to look like he broke them. If you actually think the actor actually broke real bottles then you are trolling.