Im not interested in subjective arguments. I'm interested in facts.
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.
Fact5: Miyagi has superhuman strength
Fact6: Ip Man's durability is questionable.
Im not interested in subjective arguments. I'm interested in facts.
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.
Fact5: Miyagi has superhuman strength
Fact6: Ip Man's durability is questionable.
Originally posted by h1a8
Im not interested in subjective arguments. I'm interested in facts.
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.
Fact5: Miyagi has superhuman strength
Fact6: Ip Man's durability is questionable.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you agree to my challenge?
Originally posted by h1a8
Im not interested in subjective arguments. I'm interested in facts.
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.
Fact5: Miyagi has superhuman strength
Fact6: Ip Man's durability is questionable.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you agree to my challenge?
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's rather obvious that h1 knows I'm right about the clips, thus his refusal to have them judged by an unbiased 3rd party.
You're wasting your time arguing with him. It's like playing chess with a pigeon - no matter how good you are, the bird's going to sh!t on the board and strut around like it won. He already lost - he screwed up when he created a poll. The result speaks for itself.
Save your energy for somebody worth debating with.
Im not interested in subjective arguments. I'm interested in facts.
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.
Fact5: Miyagi has superhuman strength
Fact6: Ip Man's durability is questionable.
Miyagi wins
Im not interested in subjective arguments. I'm interested in facts.
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.
Fact5: Miyagi has superhuman strength
Fact6: Ip Man's durability is questionable.
Miyagi wins
Originally posted by h1a8
What does top mean? "Top" is not well defined.
Miyagi can casually catch arrows (speed and perception), has superhuman strength, and doesn't attack first.The moment Ip Man attacks Miyagi will instantly counter with a strike or use his momentum against him (aikido).
Here's a clip showing Miyagi's style. Miyagi is a defense fighter (spirit of aikido), not an attacker. Ip Man does well against attackers.
It's Miyagi's style that will give Ip man problems. Doesn't attack first style. Don't attack first, Superspeed, perceptions, and superstrength ftw.
LMAO 😆 😂 that was the weakest fight I've ever seen; if thats the best you've got just quit now while youre behind
Originally posted by NemeBro
So why do you believe that Ip Man beating some karate masters in his own setting means he automatically beats one from another setting?
I'm not saying Wing Chun is the ultimate style in real life martial arts. If anything, UFC has proved that to be untrue in real life combat sports. I'm saying, since IP Man is a Chinese film, Ip Man's style of kung-fu appears to be unbeatable in his universe. Of course they would make his style look far superior to Japanese martial arts.
I don't believe you understood me correctly before you began insulting me. Ip Man's feats in the film outshine anything Miyagi has ever done on screen. I was only saying Ip Man's style of Wing Chun displayed in his movies is far superior to any karate practioner I've seen in other movies. I didn't imply it was superior in real life. Ip Man more or less displayed slight superhuman abilities in his movies.
Originally posted by h1a8
His durability was easily overcame from raw power.
Originally posted by h1a8To kill in one blow does not necessarily represent power but can also represent technique. Are you stating that IP Man (a master who in real life was viewed as very deadly in his art) could not kill in one blow? You really haven't proven how Miyagi is superior in speed, power, or technique.
Miyagi has that raw power and more. Miyagi has the power to kill in one blow (but he would never kill).Miyagi has great speed, although it did not look like it. You got to be fast to catch arrows and fight two masters simultaneously.
IP Man hits has effect powerful foes and masters and have put them down.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I'm not sure of what you are referring to in this statement.To kill in one blow does not necessarily represent power but can also represent technique. Are you stating that IP Man (a master who in real life was viewed as very deadly in his art) could not kill in one blow? You really haven't proven how Miyagi is superior in speed, power, or technique.
IP Man hits has effect powerful foes and masters and have put them down.
Ip man has no feats to suggest he can one shot kill someone. His most famous attack is multiple striking someone. This implies that many strikes are more powerful than one strike from him. This is irrelevant since, in character, neither is going to one shot kill the other (even if they could). Miyagi casually caught an arrow and parried super fast karate master's attacks with extreme ease.
The reason why Miyagi wins is in the following:
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.
It's Miyagi's no attack first style that will cause Ip Man problems. Miyagi will simply counter instantly (in one smooth motion) Ip man's attack. A good few hits should put Ip Man down (depending on how much Miyagi holds back).
Originally posted by h1a8You are making statements without providing proof.
Ip man has no feats to suggest he can one shot kill someone. His most famous attack is multiple striking someone. This implies that many strikes are more powerful than one strike from him. This is irrelevant since, in character, neither is going to one shot kill the other (even if they could). Miyagi casually caught an arrow and parried super fast karate master's attacks with extreme ease.The reason why Miyagi wins is in the following:
Fact1: Miyagi will not attack first.
Fact2. Ip Man will attack first.
Fact3: Miyagi is easily fast enough to block, dodge, or parry Ip Man's attack.
Fact4: Miyagi has the ability to counter almost instantly after the attack is thrown.It's Miyagi's no attack first style that will cause Ip Man problems. Miyagi will simply counter instantly (in one smooth motion) Ip man's attack. A good few hits should put Ip Man down (depending on how much Miyagi holds back).
This is really becoming and irrelevant discussion. IP Man's reputation in real life is greater than Miyagi's in the movies let alone a movie version of IP Man.
IP Man has faced and defeated greater foes. Taken hits from powerful foes like Tyson.
One hit from Tyson and Miyagi dies.
Originally posted by Kotor3
You are making statements without providing proof.
Miyagi has no speed feet that is faster than IP Man. There any many characters that have caught arrows that I can name. Anticipating and object coming at you in one direction does not mean you can block attacks that are you may not anticipate coming at you at different directions and times.This is really becoming and irrelevant discussion. IP Man's reputation in real life is greater than Miyagi's in the movies let alone a movie version of IP Man.
IP Man has faced and defeated greater foes. Taken hits from powerful foes like Tyson.
One hit from Tyson and Miyagi dies.
Miyagi casually caught an arrow. That requires tremendous reflexes and hand speed. To pretend it doesn't is trolling.
Miyagi broke 4 bottles of beer at their top without knocking over the bottles. That takes some speed of sound hand speed.
Ip Man has never taken hits from powerful foes without getting getting seriously messed up. His durability is very questionable.
But s that's irrelevant.
You are ignoring the fact that Miyagi WILL NOT ATTACK FIRST.
This will put the fight in his advantage.