Originally posted by FrothByte
Post a vid of the feat, then we can both criticize it properly.I thought we were talking strength, why are you now talking about hand speed? We can talk hand speed later, let's concentrate on strength first.
The fastest strike ever recorded in human history is a boxer's jab. Note that even though it is the fastest, it is also the weakest punch. That proves that just because a strike is fast it doesn't mean it's strong. Try again.
44mph is the fastest punch. That's nothing.
Try over 100mph to break those bottles.
A jab is the weakest punch because it has the less mass behind it.
This doesn't take away the force needed to accelerate a mass to a specific speed.
Originally posted by KingD19
Ip smacked a grown man in the ear with a feather duster a d he went sailing across the room.Difference in Ip and Miyagi is that Ip displays his feats in combat. Miyagi has time to prepare a demonstration. H1, Wasn't it you who said Ivan Drago's 1400 psi punch couldn't be counted in a fight because he had to set up to throw it? Miyagi did that in all the examples you posted. The arrow, the bottles, the tree.
No type of preparation can get a human to do something humanly impossible.
And Miyagi didn't prepare. He just dressed and did the demonstration. He never practiced such a thing. It was just natural.
It wasn't me about Drago. But Drago punched with over 2200psi.
Originally posted by h1a8
44mph is the fastest punch. That's nothing.
Try over 100mph to break those bottles.A jab is the weakest punch because it has the less mass behind it.
This doesn't take away the force needed to accelerate a mass to a specific speed.
You have no proof that that chop was 100mph in speed. It certainly looked slower than a jab. Regular martial artists break bottles all the time. It is not a superhuman feat. Again, you don't seem to understand the concept of strength in a fight and keep changing your stance to evade my points. First you wanted to discuss strength, then you changed your tune to speed, now you want to discuss force without mass.
Originally posted by FrothByteBreak bottles? Are you really trying to read and understand my posts?
You have no proof that that chop was 100mph in speed. It certainly looked slower than a jab. Regular martial artists break bottles all the time. It is not a superhuman feat. Again, you don't seem to understand the concept of strength in a fight and keep changing your stance to evade my points. First you wanted to discuss strength, then you changed your tune to speed, now you want to discuss force without mass.
Even ignoring strength, Miyagi being able to generate such hand speeds would be result in great striking power.
Originally posted by h1a8
Break bottles? Are you really trying to read and understand my posts?
Miyagi broke the top of the bottles without knocking the bottles over. This takes near speeds over 100mph to achieve. I'm trying to prove strength, or more importantly, striking power. Hand speed is generated through force. This is a law of physics.Even ignoring strength, Miyagi being able to generate such hand speeds would be result in great striking power.
Yes I understood your post and I will repeat: regular martial artist break bottles all the time just like what Miyagi did. Maybe not 4 bottles at a time, 2 was the most I've seen, but it's still more plausible than beating 10 fighters at once.
I also noticed how you keep trying to derail the discussion form talking about "strength" to just striking power. Also no proof from you where you got 100mph... or are you admitting you made that number up?
Originally posted by Dreampanther
My favourite part of this argument is the made-up claim that Miyagi has a hand speed of over 100 mph - yet he couldn't catch a fly after years of trying, and Daniel did it within a few days after he started training!
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes I understood your post and I will repeat: regular martial artist break bottles all the time just like what Miyagi did. Maybe not 4 bottles at a time, 2 was the most I've seen, but it's still more plausible than beating 10 fighters at once.I also noticed how you keep trying to derail the discussion form talking about "strength" to just striking power. Also no proof from you where you got 100mph... or are you admitting you made that number up?
No human has broken a bottle at the top portion without knocking the bottle down.
That's impossible.
My strength argument was to fuel my striking power argument. In other words, I was arguing striking power all the time, just using strength to support it.
Actually I thought if I used 100mph I wouldn't draw any criticism. Since I did then I guess I'll use the REAL number. Try closer to bullet speed, over 200mph. Yes, that's what it takes to do such a feat. Try me now!
Originally posted by h1a8
Break bottles? Are you really trying to read and understand my posts?
Miyagi broke the top of the bottles without knocking the bottles over. This takes near speeds over 100mph to achieve. I'm trying to prove strength, or more importantly, striking power. Hand speed is generated through force. This is a law of physics.Even ignoring strength, Miyagi being able to generate such hand speeds would be result in great striking power.
I challenge you to a comparison of fighting feats, loser gets banned for 3 months.
Do you accept?
ip man isnt even olympic level
his strength is nothing special as he didint even hurt twister with his punches
his durability is nothing special, twister was knocking him all over the place
his speed is nothing special as well since he couldnt even evade twisters hits
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Not that Miyagi would ever know, his hand speed being too slow to ever catch one, even though Daniel could do it. Poor Mr Miyagi...
either daniel or dre would trash ip mans @$$ in less than 3 secs
come back when ip man doesnt get his @$$ beaten by pu$$ie$ like twister 😂
Originally posted by Dexx-Planet86
ip man isnt even olympic levelhis strength is nothing special as he didint even hurt twister with his punches
his durability is nothing special, twister was knocking him all over the place
his speed is nothing special as well since he couldnt even evade twisters hits
either daniel or dre would trash ip mans @$$ in less than 3 secs
come back when ip man doesnt get his @$$ beaten by pu$$ie$ like twister 😂
Thank you for agreeing that Ip man wins.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Come back when Miyagi doesn't get his @$$ beaten by pu$$ie$ like a fly 😂
ipu$$y man has never catched a fly either
miyagi knocks his slow @$$ skull off in 0.5 microsecs
cry moar
Originally posted by Dexx-Planet86
fly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>twister in speedipu$$y man has never catched a fly either
miyagi knocks his slow @$$ skull off in 0.5 microsecs
cry moar
See, even this guy admits that Ip man wins.
Originally posted by h1a8No human has broken a bottle at the top portion without knocking the bottle down.
That's impossible.My strength argument was to fuel my striking power argument. In other words, I was arguing striking power all the time, just using strength to support it.
Actually I thought if I used 100mph I wouldn't draw any criticism. Since I did then I guess I'll use the REAL number. Try closer to bullet speed, over 200mph. Yes, that's what it takes to do such a feat. Try me now!
LOL. Here's a video that will make you eat your words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbYFugAnKY0
Here are a few other examples of karatekas breaking the top off bottles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_BHcG5I12I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON5cmqskySg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aY4iT-yRqg
So what was that again about no humans being able to break the top off a bottle without knocking the bottle down? I hope you'll admit to being sorely mistaken now.
And please don't tell me that all those men I showed above have handspeeds of 200 mph.