Originally posted by Robtard
So you're that special kind of person who can't differentiate between someone saying "white power" and "black power", because you refuse to acknowledge history and the context of said history. See, this type of willful obtuse idiocy is why you're mocked. No offense, just explaining things.
Lol I never said I do not understand the history of blacks as opposed to whites.
This does not suddenly make what they are doing not racist. Do you understand that?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No it doesn't, and no one ever claimed as much. Black people are capable of being racist. But the expressed reasons for arranging this ceremony are not racist, and that's all there is too it.
A ceremony where they say it is for blacks only is racist. That is the bottom line.
I'm sure a whites only ceremony could give reasons for it other than racism, would that make it okay? Nope.
Yeah the regressive SJW ideology of critical race theory of "all white people are racist and black people can't be racist" is fundamentally racist because it holds different races to different standards and treats people as collectives defined by their skin color rather than as individuals.
Not to mention it's unfair to white people by holding them to harsher standards and judgments and treating black people as a protected class, and ironically kind of racist towards black people because it implies that they aren't as responsible for their actions and don't have the same level of agency. It's the bigotry of low expectations tbh.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah the regressive SJW ideology of critical race theory of "all white people are racist and black people can't be racist" is fundamentally racist because it holds different races to different standards and treats people as collectives defined by their skin color rather than as individuals.Not to mention it's unfair to white people by holding them to harsher standards and judgments and treating black people as a protected class, and ironically kind of racist towards black people because it implies that they aren't as responsible for their actions and don't have the same level of agency. It's the bigotry of low expectations tbh.
Exactly, this is racism. They try to deflect on that by comparing the past of whites against blacks. This is because some people are naive enough to believe racism can only be done against those who were oppressed in the past(let us ignore every race at one point in history was oppressed). That is not the case.
Then there is the reasoning of "they gave reasons for it that weren't racist". If that makes it not racist, then hey a whites only ceremony that gives clear reasons for it besides racism should be okay too.
Originally posted by SurturNo its not lol, because they are not directing prejudice against another ethnicity. In fact it has nothing to do with any ethnicity other than blacks. facepalm
A ceremony where they say it is for blacks only is racist. That is the bottom line.
I'm sure a whites only ceremony could give reasons for it other than racism, would that make it okay? Nope.Probably not as they'd be most likely unbelievable. Or can you think of some Surty?
Originally posted by EmperordmbI agree yeah. Irrelevant to the topic tho. 😱
Yeah the regressive SJW ideology of critical race theory of "all white people are racist and black people can't be racist" is fundamentally racist because it holds different races to different standards and treats people as collectives defined by their skin color rather than as individuals.Not to mention it's unfair to white people by holding them to harsher standards and judgments and treating black people as a protected class, and ironically kind of racist towards black people because it implies that they aren't as responsible for their actions and don't have the same level of agency. It's the bigotry of low expectations tbh.
Though what's ironic is that instead of actually interrogating the reasons of the individuals involved, people insist on reducing this to colour. 😬
Originally posted by Surtur
Exactly, this is racism. They try to deflect on that by comparing the past of whites against blacks. This is because some people are naive enough to believe racism can only be done against those who were oppressed in the past(let us ignore every race at one point in history was oppressed). That is not the case.Then there is the reasoning of "they gave reasons for it that weren't racist". If that makes it not racist, then hey a whites only ceremony that gives clear reasons for it besides racism should be okay too.
No, this isn't it at all. What you did here is make up some nonsense that didn't happen and applied it to others. That's a shit tactic and shows an inherent weakness when in comes to debating and interacting with people.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No its not lol, because they are not directing prejudice against another ethnicity. In fact it has nothing to do with any ethnicity other than blacks. facepalm
A whites only ceremony would have nothing to do with any ethnicity other than whites.
Probably not as they'd be most likely unbelievable. Or can you think of some Surty?
So wait, first you say that any reasons given would not be believable, then you ask me to give you reasons lol. You do not see the problem?
Also, what kind of question is this? You could spin anything in an attempt to make it not seem racist. Not all of the history of whites is horrible. They could easily say it's a celebration of the positive contributions whites have made to society. Please tell me you will next ask what positive contributions whites have made lol.
Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously, who besides the odd nutter holds that view?
Anyone who supports affirmative action is guilty of holding whites and blacks to different standards and guilty of the bigotry of low expectations.
Anyone who seriously goes along with the BLM chant "We have nothing to lose but our chains" holds a rather insulting and demeaning view towards the agency of black people.
Even some prominent figures such as a Senator who laughed at the increasing white male suicide rate, Hillary Clinton barring white reporters and only allowing racial minorities to a specific event, Samantha Bee saying white people are terrible and have ****ed America (she was invited to the correspondents dinner). The Huffington post had that article about how white males in Africa should lose their right to vote for several decades to "fix the wrongs of the past" or some shit.
Sure this isn't the mainstream norm, but it's certainly a sizeable cultural and ideological movement.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, this isn't it at all. What you did here is make up some nonsense that didn't happen and applied it to others. That's a shit tactic and shows an inherent weakness when in comes to debating and interacting with people.
Oh please, you dodge the racism here by saying blacks were oppressed in the past. That is the crux of what you are saying, is it not?
It is racist and it is segregation...whether you like it or not.
Originally posted by SurturNot if it where arranged by the KKK. 🙁
A whites only ceremony would have nothing to do with any ethnicity other than whites.
So wait, first you say that any reasons given would not be believable, then you ask me to give you reasons lol. You do not see the problem?I said they would probably be unbelievable, because I can't really think of any legitimate basis for it, in which respect I'm ask if you can. No, I see no problem.Also, what kind of question is this? You could spin anything in an attempt to make it not seem racist. Not all of the history of whites is horrible. They could easily say it's a celebration of the positive contributions whites have made to society. Please tell me you will next ask what positive contributions whites have made lol.
But sure, we are debating a complete hypothetical here, which is stupid.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Numerous sociology professors who teach and believe critical race theory. I mean shit that was also taught to me in my high school.Anyone who supports affirmative action is guilty of holding whites and blacks to different standards and guilty of the bigotry of low expectations.
Anyone who seriously goes along with the BLM chant "We have nothing to lose but our chains" holds a rather insulting and demeaning view towards the agency of black people.
Even some prominent figures such as a Senator who laughed at the increasing white male suicide rate, Hillary Clinton barring white reporters and only allowing racial minorities to a specific event, Samantha Bee saying white people are terrible and have ****ed America (she was invited to the correspondents dinner). The Huffington post had that article about how white males in Africa should lose their right to vote for several decades to "fix the wrongs of the past" or some shit.
Sure this isn't the mainstream norm, but it's certainly a sizeable cultural and ideological movement.
Okay, guess I'll just take your word on "numerous sociology professors".
Affirmative Action is overall shitty as the most qualified person for a job can be left out, but I understand why it was put in place as we can't ignore that qualified people where not getting jobs due to their skin color, sex etc.
Honestly, now sure what you mean there, "chains" could be figuative. But BLM has unfortunately been hi-jacked by the loudest idiots. It started out sensible though.
Not sure. Not sure. Sam Bee is a comedian, I'd not put too much stock in her. Not sure.
Honestly, this doesn't seem like a major movement or even prevailing idea. IMO, most people realize and can separate individual racism which any person regardless of color can be and institutionalized racism, which is the real problem.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not if it where arranged by the KKK. 🙁I said they would probably be unbelievable, because I can't really think of any legitimate basis for it, in which respect I'm ask if you can. No, I see no problem.
But sure, we are debating a complete hypothetical here, which is stupid.
In the context of my hypothetical this was students organizing a whites only graduation ceremony, it was not something arranged by the KKK.
Also you say it is stupid to debate this, but I found it rather telling. Whether you want to admit it or not, you have essentially said it's not racist because blacks have suffered in the past and because they totally said it wasn't racist or segregation. But it is indeed racist if white students did it because they didn't suffer in the past and some whites(that had nothing to do with them) were racist. On top of that, any reason given for the ceremony other than "Racism, duh!" apparently would be dismissed.
Originally posted by Surtur
Oh please, you dodge the racism here by saying blacks were oppressed in the past. That is the crux of what you are saying, is it not?It is racist and it is segregation...whether you like it or not.
There is no real racism in the story you posted, so there's nothing to dodge, sport.
My comment about you ignoring history is just that, since it's what you do.