Originally posted by SurturStudents can't be members of the KKK? Dunno bout that man.
In the context of my hypothetical this was students organizing a whites only graduation ceremony, it was not something arranged by the KKK.
Also you say it is stupid to debate this, but I found it rather telling. Whether you want to admit it or not, you have essentially said it's not racist because blacks have suffered in the past and because they totally said it wasn't racist or segregation.No I didn't. I said it was not racist because no prejudice was directed at white people, or any other race. And in general, no other race is worse off for this action. Moreover, nobody is being marginalised or excluded, as they were never apart of or entitled to it in the first place.
But nice try Jan.
But it is indeed racist if white students did it because they didn't suffer in the past and some whites(that had nothing to do with them) were racist. On top of that, any reason given for the ceremony other than "Racism, duh!" apparently would be dismissed.I said it would be more likely to be done for racist reasons, -- this being within the contexts of imagining likely scenarios, not whatever hypothetical you care to cook up - which yes, is because of certain social and cultural contexts that can't be ignored, however if it weren't done for racist reasons, it wouldn't be racist.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
so you're suggesting that i would be hounded and lynched as a racist if i were to have an event exclusively for italian-americans? or irish americans? (which would technically be 'whites only'😉. please think about this before you go into smug twatwaffle mode, k?
If you wanna say its fine if students organize a whites only graduation and if blacks do the same fair enough. Even though I'd disagree with you you'd be holding them to the same standards.
If you wanna say its not fine either way then fair enough.
But if you're going to hold a blatant double standard that's something i'm going to call you out on.
Originally posted by Robtard
There is no real racism in the story you posted, so there's nothing to dodge, sport.
Right, do you agree with them when they say it is not even segregation? Keep in mind the fact there is going to be a main graduation ceremony does not negate that the event is segregated.
My comment about you ignoring history is just that, since it's what you do.
Because when it comes to being racist I don't think history matters. Racism is racism. This doesn't mean I think blacks had it as easy as whites in the past.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
But your comment said it would be racial discrimination if it was whites that did it, but not since its blacks doing it.
"whites" is not an ethnicity, but rather a collective of ethnicities which are white. "black" is unfortunately the best ethnicity that afro-americans can identify with since most have no idea where their ancestors were specifically abducted from.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
If you wanna say its fine if students organize a whites only graduation and if blacks do the same fair enough. Even though I'd disagree with you you'd be holding them to the same standards.If you wanna say its not fine either way then fair enough.
But if you're going to hold a blatant double standard that's something i'm going to call you out on.
dodging the point and declaring victory. nice 👆
Originally posted by Emperordmb
But your comment said it would be racial discrimination if it was whites that did it, but not since its blacks doing it.If you wanna say its fine if students organize a whites only graduation and if blacks do the same fair enough. Even though I'd disagree with you you'd be holding them to the same standards.
If you wanna say its not fine either way then fair enough.
But if you're going to hold a blatant double standard that's something i'm going to call you out on.
The sad thing is they don't feel it's a double standard. What is also being said is that, because of what others did in the past, only certain races are allowed to take pride in their race.
The go to response to that is "you just don't understand history!". I think you can perfectly well understand the history of our past without giving people in the present day a racism pass based on that past. IMO a mature adult would be capable of doing both, while someone who is ruled by their emotions wouldn't be able to handle these truths.
EDIT: We also touched on this in the other thread, but I feel true liberalism would be against segregation of any kind.
Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, guess I'll just take your word on "numerous sociology professors".
Originally posted by Robtard
Affirmative Action is overall shitty as the most qualified person for a job can be left out, but I understand why it was put in place as we can't ignore that qualified people where not getting jobs due to their skin color, sex etc.
Originally posted by Robtard
Honestly, now sure what you mean there, "chains" could be figuative. But BLM has unfortunately been hi-jacked by the loudest idiots. It started out sensible though.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure. Not sure. Sam Bee is a comedian, I'd not put too much stock in her. Not sure.
Originally posted by Robtard
Honestly, this doesn't seem like a major movement or even prevailing idea. IMO, most people realize and can separate individual racism which any person regardless of color can be and institutionalized racism, which is the real problem.
I definitely don't agree with you on the prevalence of institutionalized racism.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
keep avoiding the argument, surt. you have no balls.kick strawman; declare victory 👆
Lmao, declare victory? No, I simply pointed out the irony in you calling someone else smug. Truth=victory? Okay, but I just found it amusing for you to call someone else smug. It's the same reason I find it amusing to see you call others cowards or talk about them celebrating victories(fake or otherwise).
No doubt you will call this another "victory" celebration because I dared point out stuff about you.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"whites" is not an ethnicity, but rather a collective of ethnicities which are white. "black" is unfortunately the best ethnicity that afro-americans can identify with since most have no idea where their ancestors were specifically abducted from.
You didn't say ethnicity based=okay but race based=racist
You said minority race=okay but majority race=racist
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
dodging the point and declaring victory. nice 👆
Originally posted by Surtur
Right, do you agree with them when they say it is not even segregation? Keep in mind the fact there is going to be a main graduation ceremony does not negate that the event is segregated.Because when it comes to being racist I don't think history matters. Racism is racism. This doesn't mean I think blacks had it as easy as whites in the past.
Been explained to you already multiple times but here it is again: It's a private event, privately funded, because the few (by comparison) black students at Harvard don't often interact. There is no racism or segregation in the Jim Crow-like sense you're trying to make it out to be.
See above, if you dismiss the context of history, you end up with these ridiculous stances which you often hold.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
That wasn't what you said in your original post though. You said it wasn't fine if the majority racial group does it, but that it's fine if a minority racial group does it. You never said "a minority racial group if that is their only identifying ethnicity" you only gave the qualifier that a racial group need only be a minority to be justified in doing something like this.You didn't say ethnicity based=okay but race based=racist
You said minority race=okay but majority race=racist
What is your weird fixation with victory? You bring it up every time someone argues against you.
then perhaps i should have been more clear. now that i've clarified, maybe you can address the point.
Originally posted by Surtur
The sad thing is they don't feel it's a double standard. What is also being said is that, because of what others did in the past, only certain races are allowed to take pride in their race.The go to response to that is "you just don't understand history!". I think you can perfectly well understand the history of our past without giving people in the present day a racism pass based on that past. IMO a mature adult would be capable of doing both, while someone who is ruled by their emotions wouldn't be able to handle these truths.
EDIT: We also touched on this in the other thread, but I feel true liberalism would be against segregation of any kind.
No, that's not it at all again. You're once again making up nonsense stances and applying them to people because you can't refute their actual stances, positions and points. This is a very weak tactic, often used by the feeble.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
What about Black Students requesting "Blacks only dorms" on college campuses? Is that racist?Just out of interest.
i prefer to think of it in terms of single ethnicity, as opposed to a collective deliberately defined by nothing more than skin color. again, it's impossible to do so with afro-americans because of ethnic history erasing caused by slavery.
so i'd rather ask myself "what if korean americans wanted a "koreans only" dorm. would that be racist?" no, imho. isolationist clique BS? yes.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
oh look. infant-man needs to have the last word. amazing how he pulls it off like a champ, without ever addressing the argument.
Do you even read the things you type? You say I have to have the last word. But...if you think that and you still felt the need to post it would mean you feel that *you* need to have the last word, right?
Your argument is plain stupid, what is there to address? Sorry, there is no "it's only racist if whites do it" here. If we ever want to move beyond racism stupid shit like that needs to disappear.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, that's not it at all again. You're once again making up nonsense stances and applying them to people because you can't refute their actual stances, positions and points. This is a very weak tactic, often used by the feeble.
Lol so WHAT is your stance? Explain it to me, because I've already addressed how past history doesn't have an effect on whether or not this is racist. That is what you kept babbling about, the history. I can't imagine why you'd keep mentioning it unless you felt that was a valid reason why this wasn't racism.
So if your stance is not that this isn't racist because of the past oppression of blacks, please enlighten me.