Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i prefer to think of it in terms of single ethnicity, as opposed to a collective deliberately defined by nothing more than skin color. again, it's impossible to do so with afro-americans because of ethnic history erasing caused by slavery.so i'd rather ask myself "what if korean americans wanted a "koreans only" dorm. would that be racist?" no, imho. isolationist clique BS? yes.
Not all black people are included in what you have defined as an ethnic category, but I never see this blacks only shit as being exclusive to that "ethnic category." They seem to only specify that shit based on race and make no mention of specific ethnicity otherwise a second generation black immigrant from some known part of Africa would surely be excluded from such an event.
The fact that these events and requests treat black people as some monolithic ethnic group despite the fact that not all of them have those same roots in slavery leads me to believe that this isn't ethnically motivated.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I never see anybody try and clarify that ethnicity as former slave descendents though. I never see "This is for the ethnicity of those whose ethnic origins are traceable back to only slavery in America and if you're a black person without those same roots in American slavery then you aren't included in this group."Not all black people are included in what you have defined as an ethnic category, but I never see this blacks only shit as being exclusive to that "ethnic category." They seem to only specify that shit based on race and make no mention of specific ethnicity otherwise a second generation black immigrant from some known part of Africa would surely be excluded from such an event.
The fact that these events and requests treat black people as some monolithic ethnic group despite the fact that not all of them have those same roots in slavery leads me to believe that this isn't ethnically motivated.
Exactly, and if people want to argue it's not racism fine, but I can't see how anyone could think this is not segregation. This is the definition of segregation, even if you want to claim their reasons for it are not rooted in racism.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I never see anybody try and clarify that ethnicity as former slave descendents though. I never see "This is for the ethnicity of those whose ethnic origins are traceable back to only slavery in America and if you're a black person without those same roots in American slavery then you aren't included in this group."
it's all implied by saying "black". granted there are a minority of black americans who come from voluntary immigrant ancestry. but most are just "black". they have nothing more to trace back to, whereas whites (and likely you as well) have knowledge of our heritage (beyond just 'white'😉that we can come together and take some shallow meaningless pride in. italian american, irish american, german, dutch, english, etc. if any of these white ethnicities groups together exclusively under that identity, they are not labeled racist. blacks however are apparently not able to do the same without being demonized.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not all black people are included in what you have defined as an ethnic category, but I never see this blacks only shit as being exclusive to that "ethnic category." They seem to only specify that shit based on race and make no mention of specific ethnicity otherwise a second generation black immigrant from some known part of Africa would surely be excluded from such an event.
you're ignoring the overal reality of my observation with technicalities. yes the issue is confused when considering voluntary black immigrants. it's a complex issue that can be explained thoroughly via twitter or some meme.
Let me give some examples:
White pride rally = Would be viewed as racism, due to the US' history with how "White Pride/Power" was used as a tool of oppression
Irish pride rally = Not racism, even though the Irish are white
Italian pride rally = Not racism, even though the Italians are white
Polish pride rally = Not racism, even though the Polish are white (at least technically)
edit: Surtur's a lost cause, he loves to ignore historical context and reason. But EmpDMB can be reasoned with.
more to the point:
if a country consists of ethnicities: A,B,C,D,E,F & G, and ethnicities A to F decide to form their own exclusive group based on a common trait which G lacks and is excluded for, that is the very definition of racial discrimination.
if A throws an 'A's only' party, they are not being racist against G, and vice versa. they are just being douchy clique-clowns imo.
Originally posted by Robtard
But EmpDMB can be reasoned with.
i'm getting mixed signals. we shall see.
Originally posted by Robtard
Let me give some examples:White pride rally = Would be viewed as racism, due to the US' history with how "White Pride/Power" was used as a tool of oppression
Irish pride rally = Not racism, even though the Irish are white
Italian pride rally = Not racism, even though the Italians are white
Polish pride rally = Not racism, even though the Polish are white (at least technically)
edit: Surtur's a lost cause, he loves to ignore historical context and reason. But EmpDMB can be reasoned with.
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Originally posted by SurturNot in the context you're using it my incredibly dumb friend. 😆
Umm, none of what you just typed out changes the fact this is indeed a form of segregation.
"the enforced separation of different racial groups in a country, community, or establishment."
This is the segregation you're talking about. Whites and blacks in Harvard are not being forcefully separated, black students just raised money themselves so that they could throw themselves a ceremony and party to celebrate their own achievements.
You are so incredibly stupid. crylaugh
Originally posted by EmperordmbSo tell me my friend, who in this thread proposed any of these points of view? mmm
Yeah the regressive SJW ideology of critical race theory of "all white people are racist and black people can't be racist" is fundamentally racist because it holds different races to different standards and treats people as collectives defined by their skin color rather than as individuals.Not to mention it's unfair to white people by holding them to harsher standards and judgments and treating black people as a protected class, and ironically kind of racist towards black people because it implies that they aren't as responsible for their actions and don't have the same level of agency. It's the bigotry of low expectations tbh.