Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means, If you have examples of Miyagi countering people that are above Chen's skill and/or speed, feel free to post those.
Again, I provided PROOF of Miyagi reacting and moving to things far faster than Chen. Thus he can react and move to a Chen attack. Great skill isn't needed for parrying. Miyagi has easily shown the skill to parry and block and dodge. The Speed and reactions are what's needed (I've proven he has them through feats).
Originally posted by h1a8
Again, I provided PROOF of Miyagi reacting and moving to things far faster than Chen. Thus he can reacted and move to a Chen attack. Great skill isn't needed for parrying. Miyagi has easily shown the skill to parry and block and dodge. The Speed and reactions are what's needed (I've proven he has them through feats).
When did you provide proof of Miyagi countering someone of Chen's skill and/or speed?
Originally posted by Silent Master
When did you provide proof of Miyagi countering someone of Chen's skill and/or speed?
I argued level of skill of the attacker is irrelevant. So stop bringing that up. A dodge is simply to move out the way. A parry is simply to push the attack from the side.
You keep saying someone. Objects count too. If it proves reaction speeds and hand speed then it translates.
The problem with you is that will always troll. You don't say stuff like "but that doesn't translate to people". But rather you would post the same stuff over and over again. I'm trying to figure out why haven't you been warned yet or banned. All you do is troll.
If a point is flawed them simply state why. Don't ignore the point like it was never made and use trolling language over and over again.
Originally posted by h1a8
I argued level of skill of the attacker is irrelevant. So stop bringing that up. A dodge is simply to move out the way. A parry is simply to push the attack from the side.You keep saying someone. Objects count too. If it proves reaction speeds and hand speed then it translates.
The problem with you is that will always troll. You don't say stuff like "but that doesn't translate to people". But rather you would post the same stuff over and over again. I'm trying to figure out why haven't you been warned yet or banned. All you do is troll.
If a point is flawed them simply state why. Don't ignore the point like it was never made and use trolling language over and over again.
You thinking something isn't proof, now how about actually providing proof instead of just finding new ways to state your opinion.
Originally posted by h1a8It doesn't though.
Actually Miyagi has faster hand speed and reactions than any one of these characters. He casually caught an arrow. He broke the top portions off 4 beer bottles without knocking the bottles over. That takes speed of sound type speed.You are merely looking at acting speed and not functional speed. Catching an arrow is far faster than any feat made by either character. So is that beer bottle feat.
Lastly, you missed the part where I said Miyagi can counter instantly (simultaneously) as he blocks or parries.
BULLETS are speed of sound type speed.
Comparing arrows to bullets in terms of speed, at all, is idiotic.
Even our earliest guns and firearms (barring cannons) are faster then arrows.
However, catching an arrow is relative to combat speed. It means he's incredibly fast, not that hard to understand.
The problem with that is, we don't know if Chen Zen is capable of doing something similar.
He does seem much faster then Miyagi, but Zen also has comparable technique.
Gonna give it to Chen Zen.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
However, catching an arrow is relative to combat speed. It means he's incredibly fast, not that hard to understand.The problem with that is, we don't know if Chen Zen is capable of doing something similar.
He does seem much faster then Miyagi, but Zen also has comparable technique.
Gonna give it to Chen Zen.
Only it's not relevant to combat speed because 1) he didn't do it in combat 2) he had plenty of time to prepare for the catch an 3) he only did it once, there is no evidence he could consistently move at that speed.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Only it's not relevant to combat speed because 1) he didn't do it in combat 2) he had plenty of time to prepare for the catch an 3) he only did it once, there is no evidence he could consistently move at that speed.
1. He doesn't have to. Showing reaction and hand speed outside combat translates to having reactions and hand speed in combat.
2. Prepare how? He just stood there and waited. He was not shown to practice this.
3. He did it casually. That means it was easy. That means he can do lesser things CONSISTENTLY.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
It doesn't though.BULLETS are speed of sound type speed.
Comparing arrows to bullets in terms of speed, at all, is idiotic.
Even our earliest guns and firearms (barring cannons) are faster then arrows.
I didn't compare arrows to bullets. I compared breaking the bottles with the speed of sound.
The arrow feat was a reaction feat and a lesser movement speed feat. The bottle feat was not a reaction feat but a speed feat.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't compare arrows to bullets. I compared breaking the bottles with the speed of sound.The arrow feat was a reaction feat and a lesser movement speed feat. The bottle feat was not a reaction feat but a speed feat.
so your arguing that miyagi's strikes travels at speed of sound? lol
Originally posted by 950KillerNo, I'm arguing that it takes bullet type speed to do the feat. Also, not all bullets travel equal or faster than sound. I mistyped. I meant comparing bottle breaking to low end bullet speeds (not speed of sound).
so your arguing that miyagi's strikes travels at speed of sound? lol
Many bullets travel actually slower.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. He doesn't have to. Showing reaction and hand speed outside combat translates to having reactions and hand speed in combat.2. Prepare how? He just stood there and waited. He was not shown to practice this.
3. He did it casually. That means it was easy. That means he can do lesser things CONSISTENTLY.
1. Wrong. Very wrong.
2. He still had time to gather himself, it doesn't mean he can do it on the fly.
3. Too many variables go into what that "lesser thing" would be.
Comparing the breaking of those bottles to the speed of sound makes it sound like you don't know how fast the speed of sound actually is.
Originally posted by h1a8
No, I'm arguing that it takes bullet type speed to do the feat. Also, not all bullets travel equal or faster than sound. I mistyped. I meant comparing bottle breaking to low end bullet speeds (not speed of sound).Many bullets travel actually slower.
Be specific, exactly how fast are you claiming his hand speed is?