Mr. Miyagi vs Chen Zhen (Donnie Yen)

Originally posted by h1a8
At best, Low end bullet speed.

wtf does "low end bullet speed" even mean.

Originally posted by h1a8
At best, Low end bullet speed.

That isn't being specific, give an actual number.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
You're ****ing crazy dude.

You're out of your ****ing mind.

That's the speed it takes to do the feat.
Now we can argue that the feat was PIS since it's beyond human ability. But if we take the feat seriously then it takes low end bullet speed (somewhere over 200mph).

Originally posted by h1a8
That's the speed it takes to do the feat.
Now we can argue that the feat was PIS since it's beyond human ability. But if we take the feat seriously then it takes low end bullet speed (somewhere over 200mph).

Prove that Miyagi's hand was moving somewhere over 200 mph in that scene.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove that Miyagi's hand was moving somewhere over 200 mph in that scene.

Originally posted by h1a8
It has to move at least that speed to break tops off bottles without knocking the bottles over.

Then you'll have no problem taking my bet, that we have the scene judged by a unbiased 3rd party and if they agree with you that the clip shows him moving at over 200 mph, I get temp banned for 3 months. otherwise you get banned for 3 months.

Do you accept?

A human hand moving at 200 mph would be invisible to the naked eye. Daniel stood there and watched him do it so now, its not that fast.

Accept Silent's challenge. Should be easy seeing as how confident you are about your numbers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then you'll have no problem taking my bet, that we have the scene judged by a unbiased 3rd party and if they agree with you that the clip shows him moving at over 200 mph, I get temp banned for 3 months. otherwise you get banned for 3 months.

Do you accept?

What? You going by visual speed I see. In that case, the actor's hand moved under 40mph. Same as Cap moving slower than actual professional fighters. He couldn't perform those jumps without wires because his actor's legs can't generate the necessary speed to leap.
WS couldn't have possibly kick someone over 10 feet away with the slow speed of his leg.

So we either ignore visual speed and assume speed necessary to achieve the feat in question (makes a lot of sense)
Or
We use visual speed only. That means certain feats are invalid and regular people are faster than Cap.

Originally posted by KingD19
A human hand moving at 200 mph would be invisible to the naked eye. Daniel stood there and watched him do it so now, its not that fast.

Accept Silent's challenge. Should be easy seeing as how confident you are about your numbers.

Visual acting speed =/= actual character story speed. Otherwise Cap would be slower than all professional fighters. And his most of his striking feats would be invalid as they required more speed than what Cap shown.

Do you accept the challenge?

Accept SM's challenge h1. Why are you always so afraid of having to have to prove your assertions?

Originally posted by h1a8
That's the speed it takes to do the feat.
Now we can argue that the feat was PIS since it's beyond human ability. But if we take the feat seriously then it takes low end bullet speed (somewhere over 200mph).

Prove that you need 200mph hand speed to break bottles.

Just prove it guy. We'll all be quiet if you can back up your math and your claims. And since Daniel and all the mucks watched Miyagi break the bottle, that means all of them can see and react to speeds of 200mph+.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's the speed it takes to do the feat.
Now we can argue that the feat was PIS since it's beyond human ability. But if we take the feat seriously then it takes low end bullet speed (somewhere over 200mph).

define what is "low end bullet speed".

Originally posted by 950Killer
define what is "low end bullet speed".

Around 500mph.

I meant low end air gun pellet speed. So around 200mph.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Accept SM's challenge h1. Why are you always so afraid of having to have to prove your assertions?

I disagree with that. Otherwise, every real professional MMA fighter will be a lot faster than Cap. And there is no way Cap could perform the feats he did with his movement speed.

Muskets on the slowest end were about 268mph. Bullets at the slowest are like, 500mph.

If Miyagi is moving at 200mph, that means Daniel and those mooks were all able to see and react to him moving at that speed right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Prove that you need 200mph hand speed to break bottles.

Now the 200mph isn't exact but an estimation.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's judging by the acting visual speed (which is less than 40mph).

I disagree with that. Otherwise, every real professional MMA fighter will be a lot faster than Cap. And there is no way Cap could perform the feats he did with his movement speed.

No. He is asking you to prove your 200mph assertion to a panel of unbiased judges. With the way you keep insisting on your opinion, it should be easy.

Right now, you're just trying to weasel out of having to back up what you infer, as always.

It's not hard, H1. If you want to prove something to us so vehemently, then do a challenge. It's evidence vs evidence.