Originally posted by Nibedicus
Except that's not what he is challenging you to prove (most recently anyway). Nice weasel attempt tho.He is challenging you to prove your moromic superspeed Miyagi chop.
Now accept his challenge or concede.
No he's asking me to prove VISUALLY that Miyagi displayed the speed I claimed through the chop. Visually, Miyagi didn't produce the speed I claimed. So why do a challenge?
Lastly, I already changed my argument to Miyagi had to have superhuman speed (not giving any numbers) to achieve the feat. So anything else is derailing the thread.
Originally posted by h1a8
1) No he's asking me to prove VISUALLY that Miyagi displayed the speed I claimed through the chop. Visually, Miyagi didn't produce the speed I claimed. So why do a challenge?2) Lastly, I already changed my argument to Miyagi had to have superhuman speed (not giving any numbers) to achieve the feat. So anything else is derailing the thread.
Pls quote where he specified in his challenge that it can only be proven visually.
You claim superhuman but won't give numbers to indicate that it is superhuman. Weasel-y as always.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Pls quote where he specified in his challenge that it can only be proven visually.You claim superhuman but won't give numbers to indicate that it is superhuman. Weasel-y as always.
I don't have a to because it is an inside conversation between me and him. We been discussing the issue for a long time now. I know his stance on the issue (he argues visual speed). He's been trolling me over and over asking me to prove visual speed. Everything with him is about visual speed. What's your take on the matter?
Yup, numbers aren't needed to know whether something is superhuman or not.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't have a to because it is an inside conversation between me and him. We been discussing the issue for a long time now. I know his stance on the issue (he argues visual speed). He's been trolling me over and over asking me to prove visual speed. Everything with him is about visual speed. What's your take on the matter?Yup, numbers aren't needed to know whether something is superhuman or not.
So quote these "internal conversations". If they exist.
"Superhuman" without quantification is bupkis. It can be 10% faster or 10x faster than RL human speed. Which is just a weasel-y way of escaping having to provide proof as non superhuman movie characters can more or less perform superhuman "feats" relative to their rl counterparts.
Weasel.
Originally posted by NibedicusSuperhuman (whether it is 0.0001% more) just proves sufficiency to defend against a human level attack.
So quote these "internal conversations". If they exist."Superhuman" without quantification is bupkis. It can be 10% faster or 10x faster than RL human speed. Which is just a weasel-y way of escaping having to provide proof as non superhuman movie characters can more or less perform superhuman "feats" relative to their rl counterparts.
Weasel.
Just pm Silent and ask him. No need to prove anything to you. I don't mind if you do not believe me. I'll be fine with it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superhuman (whether it is 0.0001% more) just proves sufficiency to defend against a human level attack.Just pm Silent and ask him. No need to prove anything to you. I don't mind if you do not believe me. I'll be fine with it.
Nope. You said so yourself. We don't take "highest feats" as his average.
Originally posted by h1a8
We should look at average (not high end).
Your highest demonstration of Miyagi's possible speed (flawed logic at that) is his bottle break. If it is just barely superhuman (.0001% as you say) and his average speed is slow AF when fighting slow AF opponents. It balances out his speed to somewhere between athletic old man to athletic not so old man. See? I can make up unquantifiable measurements based on non-evidence, too.
If you refuse to substantiate your claims, pretty much makes you a liar, doesn' it?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Nope. You said so yourself. We don't take "highest feats" as his average.Your highest demonstration of Miyagi's possible speed (flawed logic at that) is his bottle break. If it is just barely superhuman (.0001% as you say) and his average speed is slow AF when fighting slow AF opponents. It balances out his speed to somewhere between athletic old man to athletic not so old man. See? I can make up unquantifiable measurements based on non-evidence, too.
If you refuse to substantiate your claims, pretty much makes you a liar, doesn' it?
I also love how he makes claims about things that were apparently in the conversation between him and SM but, when asked to substantiate said claims, he tries to dump the responsibility of doing so on you two, by telling you to PM SM for proof.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Nope. You said so yourself. We don't take "highest feats" as his average.Your highest demonstration of Miyagi's possible speed (flawed logic at that) is his bottle break. If it is just barely superhuman (.0001% as you say) and his average speed is slow AF when fighting slow AF opponents. It balances out his speed to somewhere between athletic old man to athletic not so old man. See? I can make up unquantifiable measurements based on non-evidence, too.
If you refuse to substantiate your claims, pretty much makes you a liar, doesn' it?
So if we are to debate then we have to debate on that common ground.
It's understood that Miyagi has the speed and reflexes to easily parry karate masters attacks. If he was slow AF then we would have easily gotten tagged repeatedly by Kreese,Terry, Barnes, Johnny and the cobra Kai, etc. None of those guys are slow. Miyagi CONSISTENTLY AND CASUALLY parried and countered their attacks. This is consistent with his arrow catch and bottle break. Miyagi has no low showings to average.
You are confusing averaging.
If a character was shown to lift 100tons one time but easily lift 10tons a million times then their average is 100tons. Why? Because they have no contradictory low showings in which to estimate an average. Now if they were shown to struggle or not actually lift 50tons then their average is lower than 100tons.
Finally, you can't use my stance against me unless you agree with the stance. In other words, you have to believe in taking averages over highest feats solo. Otherwise, you have no ground to stand on.
Originally posted by KingD19
I formally challenge you to a Battlezone, h1a8.Mr. Miyagi vs Chen Zhen
It can be simple. Feats vs Feats. We both post whatever feats they have we think will help their case. Explain why we think it helps and why we think they win.
Impartial mods for judges.
It'll be quick I promise.
Are you a proponent of visual acting speed as true speed? Or are you a proponent of a character having sufficient speed (despite visual speed) in order to perform the feats? For example, do you believe that Miyagi moved his hand fast FAR FASTER than his visual speed when catching the arrow, breaking the bottles, easily defending against Johnny and the Cobra Kai, Kreese, Barnes, and Terry?
And lastly, why not just debate here?
Originally posted by h1a8
Are you a proponent of visual acting speed as true speed? Or are you a proponent of a character having sufficient speed (despite visual speed) in order to perform the feats? For example, do you believe that Miyagi moved his hand fast FAR FASTER than his visual speed when catching the arrow, breaking the bottles, easily defending against Johnny and the Cobra Kai, Kreese, Barnes, and Terry?And lastly, why not just debate here?
He isn't one of the judges, so his opinion won't effect the outcome of the BZ. are you going to accept his challenge or run away like the times you I challenged you?
Originally posted by h1a8
Are you a proponent of visual acting speed as true speed? Or are you a proponent of a character having sufficient speed (despite visual speed) in order to perform the feats? For example, do you believe that Miyagi moved his hand fast FAR FASTER than his visual speed when catching the arrow, breaking the bottles, easily defending against Johnny and the Cobra Kai, Kreese, Barnes, and Terry?And lastly, why not just debate here?
I'm a proponent of feats and canon. We see Miyagi break the bottles, we see him fight some guys, and we see him catch a slow arrow. We see Chen Zhen send people flying, dodge bullets, etc... That's what happened on screen.
Also your logic is flawed. You're saying he moved fast enough to smash the bottles, but don't respond to my questions about Daniel and the other guys being able to see him in the act of smashing the bottles. Meaning either he's not that fast, or they all have 200mph+ reaction speed and vision.
Lastly, debating here gets us nowhere. You put up your theories, we put up feats, you dismiss the feats because your own logic is superior. BZ will put up rules you have to abide by and you can't just say "I don't feel like debating" or "blah blah blah" when you want to change the game up.