Mr. Miyagi vs Chen Zhen (Donnie Yen)

Originally posted by Silent Master
He isn't one of the judges, so his opinion won't effect the outcome of the BZ. are you going to accept his challenge or run away like the times you I challenged you?

I think I've got a pretty good case I can build in...20 minutes?

Notice how he tries to move the debate forward to try and weasel out of the BZ?

Just don't argue his wonky logic anymore and simply keep the debate stalled til he accepts.

We KNOW we can prove our points. We can STEP UP to prove them.

If he is unwilling to do the same. Then it is definitive proof that he KNOWS he is wrong and he is just arguing to not have to admit he is wrong.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm a proponent of feats and canon. We see Miyagi break the bottles, we see him fight some guys, and we see him catch a slow arrow. We see Chen Zhen send people flying, dodge bullets, etc... That's what happened on screen.

Also your logic is flawed. You're saying he moved fast enough to smash the bottles, but don't respond to my questions about Daniel and the other guys being able to see him in the act of smashing the bottles. Meaning either he's not that fast, or they all have 200mph+ reaction speed and vision.

Lastly, debating here gets us nowhere. You put up your theories, we put up feats, you dismiss the feats because your own logic is superior. BZ will put up rules you have to abide by and you can't just say "I don't feel like debating" or "blah blah blah" when you want to change the game up.

I asked a yes or no question. You are making things unnecessarily complicated. That's the best way to not get a BZ.

Bottomline: Miyagi wins because he will not attack first. He will wait for Chen to attack and then parry or dodge and simultaneously counter attack. If Miyagi attacks first then he will lose everytime to Chen. This is my argument. If you disagree then kindly rebut my reasoning with sound logic.

Originally posted by h1a8
I asked a yes or no question. You are making things unnecessarily complicated. That's the best way to not get a BZ.

Bottomline: Miyagi wins because he will not attack first. He will wait for Chen to attack and then parry or dodge and simultaneously counter attack. If Miyagi attacks first then he will lose everytime to Chen. This is my argument. If you disagree then kindly rebut my reasoning with sound logic.

So you're going to run away from another challenge?

Lol. Look at him try to weasel out of the BZ.

Don't answer him til he accepts your challenge. He is just trying to move the debate forward to bog you down in useless time wasting so he can make you forget about the BZ. It's his basic M.O.

I challenge you to a BZ , h1.

I will only do a BZ if it's on fair AND common terms. You never answered my questions, so that's that.

Originally posted by h1a8
I will only do a BZ if it's on fair AND common terms. You never answered my questions, so that's that.

The terms are, you both make your arguments and the judges will pick the winner.

Watch him try to weasel out of the bz unless he is allowed to fix the rules to pre-establish his wonky theories as facts first so that he gets an advantage rather than arguing them in a bz and having judges scrutinize his logic....

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Watch him try to weasel out of the bz unless he is allowed to fix the rules to pre-establish his wonky theories as facts first so that he gets an advantage rather than arguing them in a bz and having judges scrutinize his logic....

That is exactly what he's trying to do.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is exactly what he's trying to do.

The funny bit is he refused to address the actual yes/no question I asked him in the Symbiote vs Loki thread (the one about Cap replacing Hulk, which related to his claim that it was the concrete that did the KO'ing), by responding with an answer to a question I never asked (I never once asked him whether it should have had an effect in the first place). Yet, in this thread, he accuses KingD of not answering his question, and trying to make things unnecessarily complicated.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is exactly what he's trying to do.

Weasel tactics 101.

Him going "that's that" is him indicating his intention to turn tail and run.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The funny bit is he refused to address the actual yes/no question I asked him in the Symbiote vs Loki thread (the one about Cap replacing Hulk, which related to his claim that it was the concrete that did the KO'ing), by responding with an answer to a question I never asked (I never once asked him whether it should have had an effect in the first place). Yet, in this thread, he accuses KingD of not answering his question, and trying to make things unnecessarily complicated.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already asked you to repeat the question. I didn't see it. But you refused

The post you just quoted contains his question, did you even read it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
The post you just quoted contains his question, did you even read it?

Originally posted by h1a8
I already asked you to repeat the question. I didn't see it. But you refused

Lying now, are we? You very clearly did see it, seeing as you quoted and responded to it, in that thread, without actually answering it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't see it, hence my asking him to repeat the question.

Again, the post you just quoted contained his question.

He's trying to move the discussion forward via fillers to bury King's bz challenge.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Lying now, are we? You very clearly did see it, seeing as you quoted and responded to it, in that thread, without actually answering it.

He also quoted and responded to it in this thread, as your post contained more than enough information for him to figure out what the question was.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Lying now, are we? You very clearly did see it, seeing as you quoted and responded to it, in that thread, without actually answering it.