Originally posted by h1a8
I never said I was joking on the double standard he pointed out (I was serious and wrong). I was joking before that though, pretending so that Silent can see how unsound his angle is. I just got so carried away I started believing in the BS.
The only BS around here is the crap you type h1. Tho I doubt even you believe in the crap you type since you never seem to accept any challenge to come out and prove your wild theories via a panel of judges.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
The only BS around here is the crap you type h1. Tho I doubt even you believe in the crap you type since you never seem to accept any challenge to come out and prove your wild theories via a panel of judges.
Why accept a challenge you actually agree with? You are making no sense whatsoever. Just trolling now.
I agree that Chen is visually faster. Everyone knows that. So why do a challenge?
Originally posted by KingD19post the clip telling us that's how her powers work?
No she didn't. Her power is she produces massive amounts of adrenaline on command to give herself strength/durability. That's why Wade stunned her with a headbutt when she was normal.Just like Colossus is strong/durable because he's solid metal.
Also, no projectile can be launched a certain distance in the air unless they had sufficient initial velocity. Projectiles are not self propelling missiles.
To achieve this initial velocity took more velocity from the punch. Remember momentum is always conserved.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Here we have h1 using real world physics when it suits him. Ignoring basic movie/comic/superhero tropes of super strength = punches hard.
Because we are applying this stuff to a forum fight. Everyone here uses real world physics to prove strength, speed, etc. I'm not the only one.
Finally, without using real world physics we can't prove ANYTHING. There can be no debate.
That's her power from the comics. And it's hard to find the exact scene, but Francis explains it a bit different. When he's explaining to Wade how the treatment works, he says "It made Angel inhumanly strong.
Either way, her blows are a direct result of her powers granting her superhuman strength. Speed has nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by KingD19
That's her power from the comics. And it's hard to find the exact scene, but Francis explains it a bit different. When he's explaining to Wade how the treatment works, he says "It made Angel inhumanly strong.Either way, her blows are a direct result of her powers granting her superhuman strength. Speed has nothing to do with it.
H1 doesn't understand suspension of disbelief as it relates to superpowers, skill or technology.
Originally posted by KingD19
That's her power from the comics. And it's hard to find the exact scene, but Francis explains it a bit different. When he's explaining to Wade how the treatment works, he says "It made Angel inhumanly strong.Either way, her blows are a direct result of her powers granting her superhuman strength. Speed has nothing to do with it.
In the movies, characters often have different explanation of their powers. That's why I said, post the clip.
Anyway
F=ma
That means the more the force then the more the acceleration.
Also, can you launched something at a certain speed by moving slower than their launch speed? This is stupid.
Colossus flew VERY FAR away. His initial speed was fascinating. Where did that speed come from if she hit him with slower speeds?
Originally posted by Silent MasterSilent doesn't understand that is impossible to launch a more massive object at a certain speed by moving slower. That's against the suspension of disbelief. No rational layman would believe in such nonsense.
H1 doesn't understand suspension of disbelief as it relates to superpowers, skill or technology.
I don't....how are you not understanding this? Her literal super power is explained as "inhumanly strong". It does not involve speed. It involves her bones and muscles being enhanced enough to generate superhuman force.
She didn't punch any faster than a normal person would. She just has super strength.
Look at 0:20-0:31
The car is moving slowly yet the head flies out with great speed. Only an idiot wouldn't know that's impossible and stupid as hell
Originally posted by KingD19Yet strength generates speed through the equation
I don't....how are you not understanding this? Her literal super power is explained as "inhumanly strong". It does not involve speed. It involves her bones and muscles being enhanced enough to generate superhuman force.She didn't punch any faster than a normal person would. She just has super strength.
And yet she can hit more massive things at faster speeds than she can move her arms?
That's like touching, in slow motion, a massive object and sending it away with the speed of a bullet just because you are strong. That's not going to fly with me.
Just look at the video I posted. See how stupid it is?
Originally posted by KingD19
I don't....how are you not understanding this? Her literal super power is explained as "inhumanly strong". It does not involve speed. It involves her bones and muscles being enhanced enough to generate superhuman force.She didn't punch any faster than a normal person would. She just has super strength.
Like I said, h1 doesn't understand suspension of disbelief.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Like I said, h1 doesn't understand suspension of disbelief.
SMH I know.
H1. Listen. Your opinion doesn't matter vs feats/statement of fact.
You could come up with whatever explanation you want, but the movie says she has super strength. The movie trumps anything you say. Your argument will not ever sway any of us because it is fundamentally wrong in that you put your own opinion above the movie and the directors intentions.
Originally posted by KingD19
SMH I know.H1. Listen. Your opinion doesn't matter vs feats/statement of fact.
You could come up with whatever explanation you want, but the movie says she has super strength. The movie trumps anything you say. Your argument will not ever sway any of us because it is fundamentally wrong in that you put your own opinion above the movie and the directors intentions.
Superstrength generates speed. There are many examples to support it in media. That's common sense.
It's your choice to believe in stupid shit. I don't care. I'm not going to lose any sleep if you refuse to see common sense. You just become less than a credible debater in my head.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why accept a challenge you actually agree with? You are making no sense whatsoever. Just trolling now.I agree that Chen is visually faster. Everyone knows that. So why do a challenge?
Except that's not what he is challenging you to prove (most recently anyway). Nice weasel attempt tho.
He is challenging you to prove your moromic superspeed Miyagi chop.
Now accept his challenge or concede.
Originally posted by KingD19
SMH I know.H1. Listen. Your opinion doesn't matter vs feats/statement of fact.
You could come up with whatever explanation you want, but the movie says she has super strength. The movie trumps anything you say. Your argument will not ever sway any of us because it is fundamentally wrong in that you put your own opinion above the movie and the directors intentions.
H1 will say/do anything to have to avoid saying he is wrong. Only when he is caught at a total logical failure will he ever admit anything (and without losing breath, introduce a brand new one). But that is after he has wasted so much of your time having to prove the obvious to someone who has fluctuating logical standards and who also doesn't feel like he has to prove anything he has to say (he will often go the fallacious "common sense" route just to avoid having to prove his outlanding assertions).
When given an ultimatum to prove his wild theories, he will either try to weasel out of it (as above) or ignore the challenge completely and run away (as with Ozy vs Cap).
He is an easy book to read. He is a troll (whose intention is just to waste your time) that tries to be subtle, but really isn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
Striking power is a factor of speed and unstoppability.
Unstoppability has the factors of mass and strength.
Speed has the factor of strength.In other words, under small mass of a fist, great speed is needed for great striking power. Without it then then unstoppability (without great speed) would only push you back and not crush or send something flying away.
The flaw is you are trying to apply things according to what would be required from real life human biology, in accordance with physical laws, to draw those conclusions, when we are operating in a fictional world where characters exist that don't operate according to those standards, and whose biological structures aren't necessarily in line with those of RL humans. Going by your argument, every single character who can launch a person through the air with a strike now has superhumanly fast striking power as well, regardless of what actual explanation we are provided onscreen.
Let me take an example. Do you think MCU Luke Cage has super speed, in terms of striking? Here is a clip of him sending a guy flying over 20 feet through the air with a one-handed shove, after taking an exploding alien shrapnel bullet to that same shoulder (and another one to the gut). Happens just after 1:10:
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The flaw is you are trying to apply things according to what would be required from real life human biology, in accordance with physical laws, to draw those conclusions, when we are operating in a fictional world where characters exist that don't operate according to those standards, and whose biological structures aren't necessarily in line with those of RL humans. Going by your argument, every single character who can launch a person through the air with a strike now has superhumanly fast striking power as well, regardless of what actual explanation we are provided onscreen.Let me take an example. Do you think MCU Luke Cage has super speed, in terms of striking? Here is a clip of him sending a guy flying over 20 feet through the air with a one-handed shove, after taking an exploding alien shrapnel bullet to that same shoulder (and another one to the gut). Happens just after 1:10:
It has nothing to do with biology. It's common sense. You can't launch something more massive with more speed than you initiate.
That's like lifting something that weighs more than the force you are lifting with.
Yes all characters with superhuman striking ability can move their hands faster than a human. Cage, and every other character you name. Visual speed isn't actual speed, otherwise Cap is slower than every single professional fighter in the world.
Cage threw him, not hit him.
Originally posted by h1a8
It has nothing to do with biology. It's common sense. You can't launch something more massive with more speed than you initiate.
That's like lifting something that weighs more than the force you are lifting with.Yes all characters with superhuman striking ability can move their hands faster than a human. Cage, and every other character you name. Visual speed isn't actual speed, otherwise Cap is slower than every single professional fighter in the world.
Cage threw him, not hit him.
It was a shove to the chest, with his arm. And he has a bunch of other feats of sending people flying through the air with hits/kicks, as well.
Common sense... in the real world. But these are characters operating in a comicbook world, where suspension of disbelief is required, otherwise everything would just be a giant pile of nonsense.
One of my favourite examples is from Age of Ultron, at 0:23 odd:
If that had happened in RL, he would have torn her arm clean off. And, if by some miracle that didn't happen, the g-forces on her body would have pulped her insides. So, does that mean that woman has superhuman durability? Or is it simply a case of the writers ignoring RL physics in favour of "rule of cool"?